Special Meeting — May 27, 2025

All right. The special board meeting of the governing board of education is called to order by myself, Dr. Melinda Anderson at 11:02 11:02 a.m. on Tuesday, May 27th, 2025 at the District Office Conference Center. Um, we're Are there any change changes to the agenda? the a second here. I'm looking at Did we Did we already remove coast to coast or

do you want to remove that? Oh, see Oh, yeah. Yeah. Remove four. I didn't I didn't consent for that to be uploaded. Okay. So, we're going to remove um the coast to coast presentation. And uh just as a side note too, I want the record to reflect in the minutes that I never uh consented for this upload. If I report

out, I'll report out the next regular board meeting. That's what I said at my last board comments. But yeah, I want the minutes to reflect that. Okay. Um the other thing I was going to ask if I could get a board consensus. I wanted to try to moderate the information and reports items differently um with a 10m

minute aotment and um three minutes to present then seven minutes for questions and we'll take turns asking questions um and then the same thing if people need more than three minutes they just ask I think we've always granted more than three minutes when when requested as well as if we need more time for questions then we'll just um

have a board consensus. I just like taking board consensus on the time that we're allotting to everyone. So that's why I have it like limited to three minutes. Does anyone are you guys okay just kind of experimenting with that today on the information items? Is anyone opposed here? Do I have Okay, I have So each presentation time just to

review is seven minutes is so the it'll be 10 minutes total for information item. Normally what I do on the agenda is I just say three minutes each item like um if we're doing the budget it's three minutes and then whoever's presenting will say can I I need six minutes and I I don't want to be the I

think it's better if the board decide that's why I'm doing that so the board can all decide together. Do we want to give this six minutes or 10 minutes? So So what we would do now is we'll still do the three minutes. People can ask for more time. The board will decide as a whole are we going to give more

time or not? And then we're going to all lot seven minutes for questions and take turns asking questions and we'll follow the same procedure if we need more than seven minutes for questions. It'll just be the board decides as a whole. I just feel like when I do the agenda, I don't think that it should only be up to me to

say they get six, they get 10. I think the board should decide. That's why even though it seems like a little bit of time, three minutes, I think we've always kind of come together on that. So are you go okay if we experiment with So that's by consensus of the board for each for each presentation. Yes. Okay. I

like that. That's You like that? Okay. That's fine. So, we'll do that today. Um but we won't if if it works and if we like it, we can update our um our board policy. And then any other changes besides removing coast to coast. And then I'm going to clarify because um it wasn't Miss Wema pointed out that we didn't clarify the action

items will have um board comments because we can't take action unless there is public comment. So not board comments, public comments. So the action items will be open for public comments. information items will be we're going to reserve all public comments to the end um because we need to um address a few things in close session. So we need to

prioritize that and then we'll listen to all public comments on information items at the end. No action will be taken on the information items so that will we'll still consider public comments before um any other does that sound Miss Weman does that sound right? Okay. Uh clarifying question. Um you're saying that you on the information reports, you

don't want the public um I don't know if I heard you right. You don't want the public to comment till after we as a board talk about it or you want them to comment before we as a board talk about it. Regardless of whether we take action or not, they will come comment after because we have attorneys waiting and

for us and on Zoom. So, we need to um address we need to listen to the attorneys and then because we're not taking action, we will still consider public comment based on the information items. We just need to consider it at the end. Okay. Uh all right, then I move to approve the agenda with the removal of

coast to coast and all other suggestions. Len Schwarz, yes. Yes. Kamoski, yes. Barham, yes. Anderson, yes. Motion adopted unanimously. All right. Open session business. In attendance this afternoon are the governing board, Dr. Melinda Anderson, Mr. Millbar, Dr. Joseph Komaroski, Mr. Steven Schwarz, and Mrs. G. Jennifer Wearsma. Also is the secretary to the board, Dr. Gary Woods, and the executive

team. We will now have the pledge of allegiance. And who do we have leading us in the pledge of allegiance? Okay, we're going to start with information and reports and we are we have a brief introduction to CBHI for 10 minutes. So, are you ready for that Mrs. Davis? Okay. So, it'll be three minutes. Do you need more three

minute more than three minutes for the presentation? How much time would you like? Eight minutes. Is that okay? Okay. Eight minutes. And for this presentation, our director of student welfare and success, Kelly Gradstein, will be presenting. Thank you. Thank you. So, good morning everyone. Thank you for having me. Um, this morning, I'm going to give a brief

overview of the billing process that we have in TVSD right now as well as a new opportunity in front of us. Throughout the presentation, I'm going to say billing and reimbursement. they can really be used interchangeably. Um, so I'll I'll go back and forth between those, but I just wanted you to know that that's what we're looking

at. Let's turn it on. So, right now there are two payers to uh schools for billing, medical and private health insurance plans. We currently participate in medical billing and so that's through the LEA BOP program. And all of our medical billing is for our students in special education who have services and support that are on their IEP. parents consent to those services

when they consent to the offer of FAPE on the IEP. So, an example of that would be uh services for behavioral health, uh, speech and language pathologists, physical therapy, adapted physical education. Those are all examples of services that we bill under medical right now and we receive reimbursement back as a district. All of the revenue that's generated through our LEA BOP

program and through the small billing is supplemental. So, that funding does not go back to the general funds. It is used for supplemental purposes and a committee decides every single year how that money is spent. The new opportunity that we have came about about a few years ago. We recognized that there was an opportunity for us to bill for additional services

and support that are provided to our general education students through our team. And so about a year ago, we also became aware of the California Youth Behavioral Health Initiative, which is CBHI as it's referenced in the agenda today. So the CBHI was implemented to increase mental health services and access for students. And so what they did is the department of healthcare

services developed a fee schedule, the CBHI fee schedule which allows for districts or participating LEAs to bill for services and support through not only medical but there are four funding categories. you can fund under or you can bill or seek reimbursement under screening and assessment, psychoeducation, therapy treatment services and care coordination or case management. And so right now what our

team is working on is the alignment of the tiers of of support that we have within MTSS and really figuring out what are the direct services that we provide and where do they fit within CBHI. So a great example of that is group. So at every single one of our schools, our team members are running groups. So at one site they might be

running a group for stress management. So they are working with a group of students that are exhibiting some stress and they are providing them with coping skills and just helping them to better understand how to manage that. Well, that group would likely be built under psycho education. At another one of our sites, we might have anal team member

that is running a group for students with anxiety and they're working on coping strategies and wellness and trying to help them manage anxiety. that one would likely be built under treatment services. So, it's really about us figuring out exactly what those structures and systems that we already have in place in TDUSD and where exactly they fit under the CYBHI schedule that

we could seek reimbursement for them. So, how does it work and how would it work if we actually transition to this model? So, right now you might have a student that has concerns in the classroom. So the first thing that happens is the teacher is going to recognize that the student is struggling in some way. They're going to offer

support and they're going to start collecting data to try and get to the root cause of what is happening with that particular student. They'll monitor the student's progress. They'll collect more data. They'll review and at most times they'll figure out additional support is needed. Once they recognize that additional support is needed, we're going to contact the parent and we're

going to discuss those ongoing concerns. We're going to determine an action plan. We're going to get parent consent for that additional support. And then if we were to move to a billing model, this is where we would ask for the insurance information so that we would know what that would be reimburseable under. Once we had parent consent, we move to our

tier three or tier 2 plan. We're going to write down that plan. We're going to document it in the student information system in Infinite Campus and we're going to implement the plan. We're going to monitor student progress. We're going to continue to collect data. We're going to keep the parent ab breast of what's going on in that intervention and then

we're going to come to an outcome. Did the intervention work or not and then we're going to report that back out to the parent as well. The intervention is completed. Here's your update on student progress. These are the next steps as needed. After that, then we would submit the claim to CBHI through their third party administrator for the

interventions completed and then we would have a reimbursement for the um support that was offered and the claims that have been approved. So the really cool thing about what's happening right now is the majority of this already occurs in district. We are already documenting concerns. We are already collecting data, reviewing data. We're already seeking parent consent for tier

2 and three plan interventions. Those are all documented in our student information system. The major difference between what we do now and what we would do going forward is that request for the insurance information and it is just making sure that then on the back end that we're going to submit those claims for reimbursement. The other thing I want to note is that

as we consider what would we do going forward, let's say we had a student that needed a tier 2 intervention plan and the parent was on board with the plan, but they weren't on board with providing their insurance information. We would still provide the support. So, we're not going to change our existing support model with the implementation of

reimbursement. We just wouldn't submit for reimbursement. We would still continue to provide the support. So, as you might imagine, going to this type of model is a significant undertaking. It's a process. So, alongside the fee schedule, CYBHI in the state of California decided to um implement the opportunity for capacity grants. And the purpose of the capacity grant is to help a district or an LEA

really become operationally ready or to expand your behavioral health services. So our grant application was aimed at ensuring operational readiness because we already have a very robust team in our district. So it's really about making sure that we have the infrastructure that we can submit for billing and reimbursement. So the capacity grant came around um in the fall of last year.

We submitted our application in November. We found out that our application was approved by the county in January. Um our grant award is $983,835. So the next step is to do just what we're doing here today is to present to the governing board to give you the full understanding and information about what is included in the grant so that at a

future meeting you can take action on it. And the contracts are expected probably in June or July. So the funding plan, what are we doing with that $983,000 is we are looking at adding two team members. They are fully funded through the grant for two years. a lead team member and a billing specialist to really help us build out like I said

that backend infrastructure and then the other items on the list um an electronic health record training professional development materials and resources and also additional funding for our wellness centers and our friendship rooms on each of our campuses and the expectation is that all funding would be spent by June of 2027. So just some final thoughts in my

20 seconds is we absolutely believe that this work cannot exist without collaboration and cooperation with our families. Parent consent is an essential part of this process. We can't do any billing without parent consent and parent notification. Um but the resounding sentiment on our team is really that we want to preserve time with kids and continue to provide the

support and care that we do. Um, this opportunity for generating revenue is amazing and awesome, but that is our priority as a team is really preserving the care and support that we have for kids. Now, questions. Thank you, Kelly. I have a few questions. So, we're looking at parent consent being part of this process. Is it that in the beginning of a school

year, you're going to ask families to go ahead and submit their insurance information or is it a case-byase basis? I think you mentioned that when a particular situation comes up. Um, do you see a blanket notification going out or That isn't our plan right now. Our plan is to do it on a case-byase basis. Um, I think it would be much more

effective for us to have those one-on-one conversations with parents as these things come up than to do a blanket notification at this time, but ultimately that would be a district decision if we wanted to move forward with a blanket notification at some point in time. Will the billing summary always go to parents if they go ahead and give their insurance? We were going

to do one question at a time and then rotate. Can I just finish the one and then Oh, is this the same question? It's it's kind of connected. Will I'm sorry for interrupting. That's okay. Thank you. will they get a copy of the billing summary every time a child is taking advantage of a service or whatnot? So, um, our understanding

within the CYBHI side and within the district side, so as a district, we do provide notification to parents about how their kids are doing and what they're doing within a tier 2 intervention or a tier three intervention. Um, my understanding of CBHI is there is no explanation of benefits. So parents wouldn't have an explanation of benefits that they could

look at in terms of what that summary is. They would just simply ask us um for a greater clarification or another um understanding of what's happening with their kiddo. And we'd be happy to provide that. And can I can I answer that as well? So we're looking at AB 1184 where um the explanation of benefits and like the

sens the the sensitive topic of transgender care. Um, two years ago, the state of California passed a bill and it essentially says that insurance companies cannot notify children if or parents if their children are receiving um care for um transgender treatment. So that would be um the insurance company is no longer allowed to send that EOB to

the parent anyway. Um, so we've been talking about coming up with policies. We can't um come up with a policy that goes against 1184, AB1 1184, but I am aware of of that assembly bill and we want to make sure that parents are notified of services received. Um, minus we're we're going to have to we're looking into that. We'll work with

attorneys on on that. And if you if anyone wants to write that down and look into it, Dr. um Kamaskki and I talked about it briefly as well. Would you do you have a question? Yeah, it links on to the two. Me and you were talking about this uh when we're working on parental notification, Dr. Anderson, and

my question is, you know, well, first you might want to explain EOB. Some people don't work in the medical field. Explanation of benefits just there's a lot of pneumonics that I've learned at the schoolboard level. I'm like, what's that? EOB might be one of them for the public. Absolutely. But the other one explanation of benefits is like when you

go see your doctor and they treat you for a procedure. It could just be an office visit then there's a code and it correlates with office visit and then the cost. So normally in the mail you'll get an EOB or explanation of benefits saying you were at our office for you know D303 um office visit and the price was $74.

So the parents will not get that explanation of benefits when their insurance is build. nor is there any I'll answer this right now. There's no co-pay collected. So, a lot of times it'll say this is what we paid, this is what you owe. And it'll be like the you know we build $100, the insurance paid $70 and you owe

$30. The parents will the state when they came up with CH what do you call it Emil Chiba? when they came Cheba when they came up with Cheba um they they eliminated the co-pay so there will be no co-pay um to parents or there's just a flat reimbursement fee and we can talk about that as well because I've gone

over all the fees um as well but yeah there's no no explanation of benefits although we will have it available um services provided will be be available for parents and that's something the board can talk about do we want to notify parents of services provided since there's not going to be an EOB sent from the insurance company. So,

well, I do have a question to tag on. That was just clarity for you to explain. EOB question. Yeah. The question would be, is there any service tier one through three with this new grant to where a parent would not be notified to where a child in the district whether 12 and above with confidentiality or or below to where

they can ask for a service, the district bills um and the parents do not know by consent of the child. Can the child say, "I do not want my parents knowing." Can you help me with that? Do you want me to answer that one? I'd rather her. Okay, you answer that. So, there's really there's two questions mingled in there,

right? So, when we're looking at supporting minors who are 12 and over, um there's very specific ed code that governs that govern governs that as well as board policy, right? Um so, there are very strict guidelines for when a parent can be excluded. Um and that is something we talk about as a team and really make sure that everybody

understands exactly what that situation is. When we're looking at billing, we are not planning to bill for any services for parents who are not consenting. Even even if it's uh even if a child wants something and it's confidential due to the due the ed code. Yeah. It's not our intent to bill for that. No, but the district can pay for it. It's just

that the district won't bill and the parents won't know. Correct. So again, we kind of going back to that first question. So in a situation where we have a minor who is 12 or over um that is providing consent that is in accordance with California ed code then there are a very small percentage of times when parents are not informed and

that is because there would be a determination made that involvement of the parent would be inappropriate or a danger to the student. So like I said it's a very small window where a parent would not be involved. So, there are currently 485 districts in the state that are participating in one of the cohorts. Um, the first cohort

started about a year and a half ago and none of them are fully operationally ready yet. So, it's my understanding that there are a few districts who have submitted claims for billing um but that they're not there yet. So, we don't really have a great reference point for CYBHI, but I have spoken to other districts who are doing medical billing

for services just like we are planning to do. Um, our district is unique. Um, not like everybody else, but that's a really good thing. I always get excited about that because I really am proud of the work that we're doing. But yeah, we're definitely talking to other districts. Mrs. Lash, I think this one's for you. Um, so the private health insurance

reimbursement does not have to be supplemental. Um, so I'm assuming that this money goes to the general fund. Is this money restricted money? Uh, I believe it's restricted to go back into the program. Correct. To the but into the general fund, not the special ed fund. So no, it doesn't go into the special ed fund. The intent of the

funding is for it to go back to reimburse services that are required to provide that, right? So, it would fund positions, materials, and resources necessary to provide the service. So, it'll be in its own resource code. In its own resource code. Okay. And I I just have one more question just to finish it up or we can move on. It's up

to you. Okay. So, Mes um what happens when the grant money runs out? I saw that there's a two-year. And then what about medical malpractice liability insurance? There are concerns with that. So just because we're talking about money, how does that look and will the LEA have to pay for it when the grant money is done? Like what do you see

sustaining it long term? Yeah, let's start with the first question and we'll go back because that second one needs more time. So um I want her to address them. Is that is that okay? So yeah, our plan is that the revenue generated within two years would be enough to sustain the two positions as well as the electronic health record. So

when we look at how much that would cost each year, we're looking probably about 350 to 500,000 depending on um the position, how many years of service they have, the benefits, all of those things for two positions. The electronic health record will also depend on we'll have to go through an RFP process for that. So, we're going to choose the one that is

the most fiscally responsible for us. Um, but that's it's kind of we don't have a solid number yet because we aren't implementing yet, but that is our intent. And can I answer that? One disc one discussion I've had with them is I really think we need to reevaluate after one year um because looking at the fee schedule, it's concerning to me that

it's low. So, um, I said, and my opinion is we should plan on this lasting one year as a worst case scenario and then re-evaluate in one year and see if it's going to even be financially feasible for us. Miss Lash, and I I think we're all committed that it would have to be self- sustaining for us to continue to

do it. Um, I know our neighbors next door couldn't quite get the program off of the ground and so they decided not to do it and I think we're all open to that. If it's not successful, we're not married to it, but we are absolutely committed to only continuing it if it's financially sustaining. Absolutely. And then um Mr. Barham um

can you define a wellness center for me? Um yes, I can. So um let me talk about what's happening at our high schools and middle schools. Um primarily at our high schools. So the wellness center is where our SEAL team members offices are. Um, most of them are located just off the quad or at an easy spot for kids. Um, so

students are able to pop in. Um, they can ask a question. A lot of times students will be there because they've had a peer conflict. Um, they just had a fight with a friend, broke up with a girlfriend, boyfriend, that type of situation. So, they'll go in, they'll chat with somebody, and they leave. Uh, most of our wellness centers, it's 20

minutes max that you can be there, and then you have to go back to class or go back out to lunch or wherever you're going to be. So, it's really a drop in support, but it also is the place where a lot of kids hang out. So, they are open at lunch, so students can go in and

mix and mingle and hang out. Um, they have access to different um coping strategies or posters on the walls or things that are there. Um, but it is more of a drop in area. So, it's not intended to be anything else but that. That's what it's intended to be. Okay. Okay. And then can I just add one thing

to that, Dr. Anderson? I also want to note because uh Mrs. Gradstein's explanation is perfect about our wellness centers, but then inside those centers, the SEAL staff that we have in there are simultaneously having meetings with students, running groups in some of the rooms. Some of our wellness centers allowed for there to be rooms off to the

side. So, while it's a space for students to go, I just want to reiterate that's not the only thing our SEAL team is. They're not just supervising during the day. They're doing that simultaneous to their other functions. Absolutely. Thank you. Okay. And then I want to just clarify something along with and tell me if I'm right or wrong. When you gave the

example about students popping in because they broke up, that's would be like tier one support. That's not billable. Absolutely. So those kinds of services, popping into the wellness center, that's not a billable. Yeah. It would be no different than dropping into Yeah. There's no nothing that you would bill for if someone popped in. Correct. So, what about vaccines, birth control

pills, anything like that? Are there going to be medical prescriptions, services like that within a wellness center or is it more along the lines of counseling and that sort of thing? Like we we're gonna wait because I think someone else had did Dr. Karaskki had a question. So, we'll go to his Oh, your microphone. Sorry. Mine tags on to the first set of

questions I had with you, Kelly. um 12 and up or below whether the parents had to know or consent to something that the child was wanting to do with the lay of the land right now that is already happening whether or not we take this on right because this is just a grant for additional services. All right. I just want to make that

clear as well. Yeah, that is correct. So there's no change in that already happening. Correct. My second question is this is more broad and I'm not trying to put you on the spot for the data now, but can we get can we get data from the district either through you or Dr. Woods to where the parents of the community

know when their kids are uh visiting wellness centers tier one just for popping in or this might even go to Dr. Woods who Mrs. Deas or is that just very informal and the parents already know that their kids are doing that because I would like to get possible data on that. So, for example, if if somebody um had a

child that was popping in, let's say, very very frequently, and the parents did not know, I have a concern with that outside of this, but it's still attached to this. Yeah. No, that's a very valid frequent flyer if I'm going to absolutely. Can I ask do you have the data that the one that Yes, I do have

that, but um in response to your question, agreed. Um and so that's just data that we started collecting this year because our wellness centers are becoming more um more prevalent on our campuses. And so it is something that we have planned for our team for next year is to really disagregate that data and say okay if you've had 2,000 popins this

year how many students have come on a frequent basis and what is the parent communication. So agreed we have the same thought and it is a process we're putting in place and the tier one through three. Okay that really helps me because if the community is on board then the partnership is there and then it's transparent. Okay. Yes. Absolutely.

One last question. Okay. And then Mr. Barham and then I just want to make sure my questions answered. Yeah, we're definitely Can you go ahead and answer Mrs. question? So, the question that you asked about vaccines, immunizations, and birth control, those are really health services concerns. So, if there were conversations that were being had with students about that, it would not occur

in a wellness center. It would be in the health office. So, this is this is a broad question for Mrs. Davis. How do you see evaluating the effectiveness of this program? Um, I'm going to answer your broad question with a couple specifics. Okay. If that makes sense. All right. Perfect. So, when we had initially talked about this um a couple months ago and we've

had the continuous conversations, our goal with this reimbursement is to reimburse for services we're already providing. And over the course of the last few years with our SEAL team and these uh tier 2, tier three services especially um we have been um increasing our data collection and so when we look at two things in answer to your question

when we're able to generate a revenue or level of reimbursement that makes this a sustained process where we can sustain the positions uh the electronic billing uh the records etc. then we'll know that we're in a spot of success. But the other component is much more uh human in that we're going to continue to provide the services and collect data on that so

we know what we're doing with our SEAL team is working for students and it's best for kids because our SEAL services are directly related to student well-being so that they can realize their best success at the desk. Um and that's what we will continue to do through our data collection. And I think that when we look at that, it actually

combines with a lot of the data that we're looking at in other departments. Um, as it comes to our strategic plans, ed services, test results, we're working on supporting students so that they're achieving in those areas, too. Thank you. Mr. Schwarz, did you have any other questions? Is everyone okay if Mrs. Wearsma asks her final question? All

right. You have consent. I think you've answered a lot of the questions. What I will do is I've downloaded a draft to guidance and it talks about HIPPA FURPA. It kind of goes through some of the questions that I think families will have and I don't want to keep you up here any longer, but I think what I'll do is give this to you

or Mrs. Deis and also the California minor consent and confidentiality laws. I think the thing if that's so important if we roll this out is making sure that the checks and balances are there, the legal protections for minor children because there are definitely concerns with this. as I did the deep dive. And I think if behind the scenes we can

continue to talk and ask questions and I can give you this as well with highlights of where I'm at and maybe we can share it with the rest of the board, we'll be at a better place as it moves forward. I just want to leave no stone unturned because parents are concerned and they want to be sure they're on top

of everything that's going on. So I appreciate your time. Yeah. And I've read both of those documents, so I'd be happy to see your highlights. And and I appreciate it, too. If you have any questions, I actually I feel like I'm a HIPPA expert because I do HIPPA. Yeah. For our other offices, and it's pretty significant. So, um, those are things

that we are looking into, but if you ever want to have a conversation and share information to make sure that no stone left is left unturned. So, let's move on. Thank you so much. That was great. Good presentation, Kelly. Great job. A quick comment. I like the three minutes and extending it and I really like taking turns answering questions,

but I think the seven minutes might not be appropriate. I think taking turns and just being aware of time might be better. So, we'll move forward and keep working with that. The next is the parental um notification update. Um so, could you pull up that and um I don't need three minutes. I Everyone knows I was very busy this weekend. um with a

wedding. And so I printed this out. I told Len, don't let me make printouts ever again because nobody wants them. But I'm gonna pass these down for the board members. Can you just get that print out? Yeah. So this is I to update everyone. I need three minutes as well. Um I met with we suspended the um

parental rights notification. Mr. Barm, will you pass those down? I drop them all over. Um, and then these two, I don't think the cabinet wants it right now. I have extra copies just for anyone in the public if they want a hard copy. Essentially, this is a summary of having all of the thoughts and ideas brought together and I've kind

of bulletproof pointed them. I would like um all board members to look at this because I did it last night at like 1:00 a.m. and let me know what I forgot. Um, Dr. Karaskski, you and I had extensive notes and I didn't type those out. I just put it briefly here, but I have all of the notes, so I didn't have

time to make any. And same with um, Mrs. Wearsma, but I didn't have time to actually go into the board policy. I want it to be polished, have you approve it, and the same with um, Mrs. Wearsma. You gave a lot of really good ideas. I was hoping to bring those ready to present but I wasn't able to. So I will

send those to you because I this is also you'll see um JKMA we don't want to violate um the Brown Act. So you'll see who's working with who. Each one of these ideas is different for and an example of how we are protecting the Brown Act. Mrs. Where's my had information on suicide and when we sat down for the meeting um I just we both

agreed that since I had already spoken with Dr. Kamroski about the su the the um parental notification and um mental health that Mrs. Wearsman and I wouldn't discuss that. So that was left um with Dr. Karoski and I um addressed that because both of them presented. So we we are being very careful and you'll see each one of these is a separate idea and

which board member um is working on it. Um so this is just briefly what we're planning on doing and then I just needed a few weeks to go in and we had extensive meetings. So everything that both that we all talked about um Mrs. we like the language that you wanted included. I will present that to you

for review before we put it on the agenda for action. Um, that's it. So, please look at it. Let me know if I forgot something because I did I I forgot the I want I want a new policy for student walkouts and protests. So, I forgot to put that I added that last minute. Um, any other questions?

Okay. Yeah. Um Oh, yeah. When me and you met, I I emailed you and I know you said you didn't have time to look at that. There was two paragraphs embedded inside the policy that aren't there. It's a board policy from Plenty Orurora, but we don't have it. Grants emergency powers to the superintendent and I remember telling you we don't necessarily need a

completely new board policy. We can add that language there and as a board approve it. So, if you could add those. I just emailed you and Len the email that I sent you uh this last week, but if you want I can read it out now. It's it's short. No. Um that's uh that's exactly what I was hoping you would do.

I did forget to put I remember we talked about the superintendent and I forgot to do that one. Was there any others that I missed? Can I read it? It's like two sentences, maybe three. All right. Here here's the addition. In any situation in which immediate action is needed to avoid any risk to the safety and security of districts, students, staff

or property or disruption to student learning, the superintendent or designate shall have the authority to act on behalf of the district. That's first one. Second one is the superintendent directs all non-school counselors to notify parents within 24 hours of all nonacademic related communications which would avoid any risk to the safety and security of district students, staff or property or

disruption to student learning. To me, I'm I'm an advocate for that language to grant Dr. Woodsy a power or, you know, any other superintendent to administer this type of mental health policy notification grants him that power. So, what we'll do is I'll I'll make the updates like as as and then we'll present it to the board and then you

guys can look at it, amend it, change anything. So, are you going to reinstate the parental notification committee? Yeah. So, we've we can we suspended it, but because we're working on topics that are not that are specific to each individual, we'll reinstate the parental notification committee. Mr. Schwarz, could I just ask, doesn't the superintendent already have that

authority by virtue of being superintendent, Nicole? Do you think so? Or I think we're just adding language to make sure that there's no question. So if you want to have it removed at the next meeting. No, I I don't think it's necessary. I think he already has the authority as superintendent under law. That's his responsibility. Okay. So we

don't grant him that in board policy with the 24hour turnaround though of notification. Let me just answer the question. Um, so what we've done is we're going to present all the ideas to the board, okay, for discussion. So any any idea that was presented and that I worked with someone on, I did not say no, this is a bad idea. I said, how if

we wanted to do this, how would we do it and where would it go? And then as a board after we've got it all cleaned up, we'll present it and that's where we will make amendments or remove things. But I feel like we need something solid to present. Any other questions? I have a question. So, what's the the plan

going forward is the committee is going to look at all of these I mean what you spoke about with Dr. K and Jen. I've done some stuff on my own. So, we're going to look at that. So, next month we're going to discuss all of this again or or are we going to vote next month on these things? I think that it should be

prepared for action. So, so my plan is to do what I promised and make sure that the correct board policy is updated with the language. And I want it will look like the other board policies that I updated and the changes will be in a different color. And before we take action, I think we need to um the first action

should be to have it all reviewed by an attorney. If have it all reviewed by attorney. So, so item by item. So, like number one, um, that's fine. Wait, wait, wait. Okay, we'll do like number two. Update board policy 5145.6. Um, I work that Steve Schwarz worked on a list and there 5145.6 is just something that will say

that we're going to pres we're going to have this information on our website, his list. So, Steve, this is for you. I um the list that you created will update the board policy. So it says that list is now law like we're going to put so the law will be the board policy will be parental notification will always be on

the website. So be what I'll do is I'll update the language um in board policy 5145. I'll highlight it and then the we will all review it and decide is that what we want or not. I will send it to you before we present it to the board. Um Dr. Kamaroski had something about um access to libraries.

We'll update it. Yeah, I'm just picking one. So, so one of them was access to libraries. We could update our language and board policy uh 5020.1. So, we'll update the language the best we can. Dr. K Comaraskki will look at it and say that's what I wanted or that's not what I wanted. Then when once it's what he wanted to present to

the board, we'll present it to the board and we'll all decide as a collective, are we going to pass this or or are we going to send this one to an attorney? I think we should send these to an attorney. Yeah. So that's the process. One, update the board policy. Two, decide as a whole what we're going to

do. And then three, if we're going to take action, take action. Yeah. So, we're going to decide item by item. We're going to come to some agreement. Let me finish. Yeah. In the next meeting. If we can't agree, then we'll take it to an attorney. Is that No. So, step one will be let me finish working on it because I'm not

done updating the policies. I'll wait for the committee meeting and then step two will decide in the committee meeting. Okay. But I but I do think that when all of this goes to an attorney Yeah. that there should be some limitations on the attorney's review of all of these things. It will be very it I really like how we they worked with um

the what I have is healthc care. What board policy was that Deis that we updated with the uh billing information? Uh student wellness. Student wellness. So what we did was uh Miss Davis and I worked on the language and once we thought it was good, we sent it to um Bill Dedricch and this is actually saving money because he just had to look

at the language and he happened to notice that we had some board policy or some ed code wrong. He just boom boom boom. It took him a few minutes. Actually I was surprised at how quick the turnaround was because we' done so much of the ling leg work ourselves and we'd put it in like this is what our

district wants. This is what our district needs. this is the language we need. They didn't have to start from scratch. He reviewed it, made their suggested changes, and I feel like that's what we present for action. So, yeah, we'll work. Let me make sure. I just don't want to I agree with the process. Okay, good. I totally agree.

And throw a slight monkey wrench in there to streamline the whole process and to avoid a fourth iteration possibly of this. My recommendation is in subcommittee, you and Emil, if you guys are rejoining that, you send all of this to the attorney to polish it and look at it. Best case scenario, let's say all five board members agree on this. That's

already done before we see it again. Otherwise, we're going to be looking at another meeting after the next meeting. That's just my suggestion. And we can all get consensus right now. I think we could save thousands of dollars by using our own language. So, what's the consensus? Do you guys trust me? We're not lawyers. We're not lawyers. Yes, I

trust you. You trust me? Yes. I trust that's what lawyers do. I trust myself and I trust our staff. We have we have great stuffaff. Okay. So, let's move on to um what? Oh, we're done. Wait. So, parl parliamentarian services. Board advisor. Board advisory committee. What number? Oh, I skipped that as marking. Okay. Board advisory committee. Um yeah, mail. Len, can you uh what's

the what's the board policy? I forgot the number. Giving the super Okay. Giving the superintendent. Yeah. So, board policy 1220 gives the uh superintendent authority to form an advisory committee. Um we it seems that we needed more discussion on this. Um we pulled it from the last agenda. So, we wanted to bring this back today. Um, so

if anybody has any questions for the superintendent or myself, now would be the opportunity to ask those questions. All right, Dr. Oh, okay. A few. Why one board member re to be recommended for a one-year cycle on this? Why not two? one uh ends up a potential gatekeeper and I think for a more diverse representation. You'll you'll hear in a

minute that I disagree with this all together, but if it were to go through, I think it'd be more healthy if two board members would be on this for a year. The other thing I had a problem with is that the superintendent choosing four to five and each board member choosing one representative from our interpretive communities. I don't even know what this

means, by the way. Is it our trustee area? Is it resident of TmAcula? We can hash that out. But let's just say one board member picks, that's five board members to pick one full-time member, then a possible alternative um alternate, but then the superintendent picks four or five. So, let's say this committee happens and it's like 10 to 12 members and then

somebody from the community asks me questions about the committee and I said, "Well, I've got a representative. there's a committee and you know maybe talk to the superintendent because he has more say in this because he's picked four to five uh members of the community himself. Now for me as a conservative principle I want limited government and

I see this is a little bit more bureaucratic. So my thing is is I don't agree with the superintendent selecting four to five candidates. I believe the board should be selecting them if at all because then you're giving power to a superintendent and yes I like Dr. Woods. I wanted him hired here. But let's just say it it creates this um

opening for future superintendents who maybe aren't like Dr. Woods that select four to five members from the community that the board themselves don't even want. I I mean, so that's my question is why one board member and then two, why the superintendent selecting four to five when each school board member would only be selecting one? That's that

offset of power seems off to me. Um, I was Dr. Woods, would you let Oh. Um, I need direction. This is the document that I presented as a draft. I just need direction. There's a whole conversation that could go on about any one of these topics. I will want to hear from Dr. Woods though. Okay. His opinion

on this. Yeah. So, go scroll where I think it was number four. I right there. Removal members may be removed for the repeated. Where does yeah for repeated absences, health matters, personal or professional dam demands or otherwise at the discretion of the board. So I think this still gives power to the board because the board can remove members at

any time. So if the if we get a superintendent that doesn't represent the views of the community or the views of the board, well the board just removes those me or maybe we get like some fanatic community member that wants to to use this as a Can I do that? I mean this is the way that I see

this. This one board member is a bystander. If I'm that one board member on this committee, I'm I'm observing. I'm taking in information. This is for the community to advise the board. This is not really for me to be interacting or having any influence on this committee. Um that that's how I see it. It's it's to take in information from from the

community and to report back to the board. Um and also for the chair of the community to come and present their recommendations to the board. Um I I see this as um it's like what you said, there's wisdom in a multitude of counselors. That's how I see this. And I am a person that how I see it is is that

I'm there taking information, processing it, bringing it back to you and having uh the chair who's ever elected as the member of this uh committee to come and report out on on certain issues. That's it. I mean, I'm not looking at at this committee. Um, we're going to talk, but I don't I mean, I may disagree with with the

things that they recommend. I mean, it's it's reporting. It's talking. And like I said, it's it's it's obtaining wisdom from a multitude of counselors. That's how I see it. Mrs. Weman, you said you had a question. We have a I'm I'm being conscious of the time because we will have attorneys, so we'll have to end open session in a minute. It's uh Miss

Where's Mr. So I have a couple questions before giving a summary of my thoughts. One, how often would the committee meet? And two, is this a group reporting out at every board meeting? What's the vision? Because it still seems nebulous. So I don't know if Dr. Woods could just quickly usually it's once a month, maybe nine months out of the year. Couple

months are dark because of summer and so forth, unless the board directs uh the committee to wrestle with a question. They only present when they have summary information to share with the board. Could be three, four times a year, let's say. Okay. Wait, we're taking turns. Mr. Schwarz, did you have a question? No, I just say give it a try. I trust the

superintendent. Okay. Um, let's see. We Everyone's asked a question once. So, I didn't get I didn't get Mine was directed at Dr. Woods, though. Would you Okay, Dr. Woods, would you Dr. Mr. Kroski, can you ask that question again? Why the four to five selection of community members from you and only one from the school board that

would shift the bal balance of power from the elected official to you in the formation of this? My main purpose is to try to balance the committee. So just let's for example say that your selections are all males for some reason. My job would be then to go out and find a female balance uh within the community. The other purpose is I want

to make sure that it's predominantly parents on the committee. So I would see who's selected by you and then I would get an influx of of parents that might be willing to serve that. Those are two items I would consider. Gotcha. And then can I give me a quick response? Can I have Jen ask her second question?

So, it's not a question, but I'm going to just have two different bodies of thought here. I do agree with Dr. Kamroski. feel like number one, the board employs the superintendent to carry out their vision and I feel like we each definitely need to appoint someone, but I would be much more comfortable appointing two and then among this board discussing to be sure

we have the diversity and the people that we need to move forward. I think also if we're going to give a platform to the community, one of the first things we need to recognize is that the community and public comments should be heard in a timely manner at each meeting. So I feel like we're kind of talking out both sides. Point of order.

So let's let's stop right there. But I just want to make a correlation to the principle that if we're going to elevate the community that we're consistent with how we're doing it. Public comments is not part of a board advisory committee. Mr. Bar, you had one final thing to state. Was that two minutes, Blen? Was that because I wasn't done. Oh, I

thought these were questions. No, no, I just had a statement. I just want to make sure I get all of my thoughts out because I know we only have limited time. My thought is, and maybe it is a question. Why can't we develop a temporary ad hoc subcommittee that handles unique projects? I know we talked about the bond at the last

meeting and so if there were a direct purpose for a group and then that would be extended until they're done. I would rather look at that. Um I just feel like we don't want to be in a position where elected officials have another board that in the future are steering. I am open to all community thought. So I

think that's important but I would just want to drill down on more of the parameters because once you do create a leg of an establishment or a bureaucracy as Dr. Kamroski mentioned it is very hard to cut that back. So I just think robust conversation prior is good and I do think it's not the ethical approach to have a superintendent at any time now

or in the future handpick those five people. Okay. Thank you. Um I don't agree. I mean, I I don't look at this as establishment. I look at this as it's additional input. Um, it's multiple perspectives. It's representation from a diverse community. Um, and I think we should give it a try. I mean, I think we should try new things. I'm open to

trying new things. I'm I'm not about I want to hear from the community. I I want to hear from everybody. And uh I like this idea and I think it's been successful in other districts. Dr. Woods, I know that it was very successful where you came from. I mean, we talked about it. What say you? Yeah, it was th this

particular committee would chew on very very complex topics. Some of them may have involved lawsuits, uh academic programs and such. and the committee would really chew on it. They took their roles very very seriously. They did their homework. Uh there was a a little a spree core that kind of happens with the committee after a while and then they come and

give the board some really tremendous guidance. So I just never really had any negative um components to this at all. It was very helpful. Okay. And we're not bound by what they recommend. We're not bound by that. So, let's let's hear it. Let's hear it out. Okay. I'm ready to ask for consensus from the board. I wanted to make 10

seconds. I actually was going to say I really like what you said about trying new things because the board can dissolve this. In the end, we can dissolve this. And I also like the idea of being open to community thought even when that community thinks different than us. I think it's important that we listen to all perspectives in the

community. doesn't mean we have to agree with them in the end, but I think it's important that we give a voice to all community members. So, I totally agree. Emil, you want to ask for consensus? I would like to even though I don't need to ask I don't need to ask for consensus because it's within the superintendent's

authority. I did have one question. It's a quick one to Emil. I I feel like we know which way it's going to go. So, we need to let him ask. Okay. I was told to ask you what ex you went with. People ask you on social media, they're thinking secrecy. What ex mayor you met with talking about

this two board meetings ago? Mayor uh Komacher Jeffro. All right. Okay. So, um you're being given direction, Dr. Woods, to move forward with this. And the next item, We're going to do public comments at the end of the meeting. No public comments. Okay. Parliamentarian services. Um I think I put this under Mrs. Wema because you brought it the first time and I just

kept it consistent. Okay. But um Dr. Woods, did you have anything about Yeah. Or did you want to start? We did run a full process. We got bids. Uh there is a bid. Um it went through a RFP process. The bids are there for your consideration. and the costs. Okay, thank you. Um I will start with comments that um I've

been looking at the budget with and I was looking at the Friday update and we cannot afford this. So I already know I'm not going I'm going to vote no on it. So I don't need any discussion because we don't have money for this right now. Did you not ask me if I wanted to say something? I'm sorry.

Yeah, I apologize. So obviously now that I know the way you're voting, it puts me in a different place, but my thoughts were this. If we're going to move forward and have the opportunity to learn, I know Bruce Bishop had an incredible resume. We will also have a student who will be seated with us and we'll have the opportunity to glean. I

know our next action item is CSBA. I would rather pour into something like this and develop a relationship with this gentleman who could be utilized throughout the district in other ways too. I don't feel married to it at at this point. I'm glad that we did the research and the study. I think if you note all the organizations he's worked

with from the Navy to extensive groups who have put their trust in him, he's been able to give a lot of information including parliamentarian knowledge. for example, we actually as per Robert's rules of order do have the ability to adjust the agenda each and every time and move public comment. That was that would be something he would know as an

expert that we can actually do. So I would look at this as kind of what Mr. Barham said in the past. Well, if you're going to add something, then you should probably subtract something. We're not at the next agenda item yet. I understand that. But for me, looking at 12 to 13 meetings, knowing it could be anywhere from $600 to $700, which is

much less than having an attorney present the entire time, being able to learn from his leadership and how he would guide and would be able to answer questions. I think that would have saved us a myriad of problems and angst in prior meetings. I would also be open to throwing out why not have him come for three meetings or if not even that why

not have him come and perhaps do a two-hour workshop. I know we've got a lot on the calendar but I just in noting what he knows I think we still would have something to glean on some level and I'm open to any of those. Can I finish one? Um I was I've been I've been briefly I'll take bits and

pieces from the um Muretta school board meeting and they hired a parliamentarian and um he does not in my opinion reflect the values of the majority of the board and I've seen him make parliamentary decisions that are actually um contrary to Robert's rules of order in favor of a more liberal board member. So uh I don't know that's the one that

they're using at Myetta. So, I I've told them that they should look into that. Um, so that's always a thing, but I'm still going to Me, too. Okay. All right. You go. I don't need We can wrap it up quick. Okay. I don't need two minutes. I think you're doing a more than adequate job uh as president and making parliamentary

decisions. And I don't think we need to spend a penny on a parliamentarian, nor do we need an attorney president meetings. Thank you. I don't think we need a parliamentarian. I think it's up to us as individual board members to do professional development. Whether that's CSBA, whether that's reading Robert's rules of order, whether that's watching city meetings, whether that's going to

Washington DC like I did, looking at a Senate meeting, a House of Representatives, and looking at the professional conduct. I believe that us as a board can recalibrate. And it's also our duty to help you become a better president, no matter who it is. So, let me give you a case in point. I won't weapon I won't weaponize this

against you, but it's it's a learning opportunity. Through the past few months, when you've called the question, you've did it inappropriately. You're supposed to call the question, get a vote in this or get a motion in a second to do it, then take a vote, then bring that original motion, not conflate the two. That's been a problem that's been

ongoing. But going forward, maybe you don't do that anymore. Now collectively as a board, we've just helped you become a better parliamentarian. So, so my thing is, yeah, there's a tension point. Yeah, we make mistakes, but I think us as a board can recalibrate and help the board president, no matter who it is, become better. Thank you. And why did

you wait so long to tell me that I was like, I'm open. You said you were the jiujitsu. This is my jiu-jitsu of Robert's rules of order. I want to see if you recalibrate. So, this is But there's, you know, I've made mistakes in the past, too. And by the way, I think the addition of Robert's rules of order

say that you need a uh twothirds majority, which requires four board members, not three, because it does restrict speech. So again, that's us recalibrating. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Bar. Okay. I first of all at this point if we were going to bring on a parliamentarian I wouldn't ask for a subtraction because we're going to adopt a new budget and we

would just budget for that. Um but some of you know this in this room. I don't sleep very well at night and I haven't slept well since my heart attack. I sleep two to three hours a night. I read. I walk around the house. I walk around outside. Sometimes I watch board me uh meetings from other districts and I've and I've

actually done that a lot and based upon what I see um we're doing pretty good. I mean we are structured very well in terms of how we are proceeding. We've had our issues, but comparatively speaking, these other board meetings are very disorganized. And the only thing that's really different is the temperature of emotion when they are discussing things.

But from a parliamentarian uh standpoint, we are much more organized than these other districts are around here. Um they are talking over each other. they are interrupting each other. Um there is no system of debate in these uh in these meetings. Um their board comments are 15 to 20 minutes long and they're they're not run very efficiently

and I really had no context um from which to judge, but I do now. And we've gotten a lot better. And I couldn't have run a meeting uh a month ago without looking at what we've done here. There's no way. I'm not the Robert's rules expert at all. And that's one of the reasons I deferred to someone

else being the president. Even though a lot of people said, Emil, you should do this. I knew what my limitation was and this was it. Um so I'm going to vote against having a parliamentarian. Okay. You have one more comment. Yes. The other reason too is because quite frankly sometimes I'm agreeing with the call to question and I don't really find

it significant. Some certain times in the past when you were when you guys were calling a question to get action or even myself if it was the end of the world or I thought it was significant I would have interrupted. So there's that but plus cost effectiveness. I think this is not a waste of money but I don't

think we need to spend money on this. Could I could I make one final statement? I'm fine with that. I I'm totally fine to bypass this because I do think we're in a better place. So, I just want to thank you for continuing to lead and to take in the input. I will say at times if we can just give each

other grace to extend a conversation as needed. Um, with the last topic in speaking to the advisory committee, I had a flip side that I wanted to mention and I'll do it in my board comments. I think sometimes I personally feel like being so under the gun, it doesn't allow for a a freedom of discussing long enough. And that came up with a bond

issue right last time. So I know Dr. Kamroski and I have talked about how we just want to be sure that we can converse, do it politely, do it well, we can give grace, but not be completely cut off um always at at an egg timer, you know what I mean? So if we could just work through that together, I would

appreciate that. Okay. Thank you. And I've always said um that the board members need to call time on me and also call um point of order on me. So, I'm always looking for you guys to keep me in check. Um, so let's go ahead and I'm I move while we discussed it. I don't think anyone wants to take

action, so there's no need to make a motion. Um, the next thing would be the SC California School Board Association annual education conference. Um, do we want to postpone this until the next meeting so we can go into close session? No. You want to? Well, I want to talk about it because I know the rates are going to change in June. So, if we're

going to send people, we should send them for the lowest rate possible, not wait for the price to go up. And okay, then um here I'll I'll let people know my thoughts since I'm talking anyway. Um I've discussed it with Len. Um Mr. Mr. Schwarz is on vacation then and um it has been pointed out that there are several meetings that or

several classes that new board members could benefit from. So I would like to go because I do my best continuing education in person. I do that in my um as a dentist as well. And I asked Len if she would be willing to share a room with me to save on costs and she said yes. So, we're looking at sending two

board members um because two already went to Washington DC. So, we were thinking it would be fair if um because you guys went to Washington DC if um Mr. Barham and I went on this one and I think he and Dr. Woods even agreed to share a hotel room to co costs for the district. Um and I said I'd sit on

Emil's lap on the plane. Just kidding. No, just kidding. So, so I'm looking forward benefits so much and has after the last meeting I think most of the good information I got was from classes that Lenny had had attended and the information that she brought to me. So the four of us so I make a motion that we send four Can I

can I say something? Yes, absolutely. I don't think you should be restrictive or the board should be restrictive on board members pursuing professional development and I don't think it's appropriate to say well since two board members went to Washington you know they shouldn't go we should go that's discriminatory and that and that that's uncalled for and my thought is is due to

professional development anybody who wants to go and quite frankly many other school districts they don't vote on this they just go they say hey I want to go and they say okay we're going to go this is um a tension point between penny pinching, which I which I find just inappropriate when you talk about professional development, becoming a

better school board member. So again, I'm going to emphasize I think it's highly discriminatory that the board would say two board members can't go because you went there. I want to know what the board thinks about this. Um we missed a public comment, so we'll go one comment from each board member and then we'll take public comment. All right.

But I did have a question and I want you to answer. You're the board president. Yeah. Go ahead. What's your Oh, do you want to ask why the discrimination against two board members? Because we went to Washington. Why am I discriminating? I'm uh financially correct. Yeah. Um no, I'm just being budget savvy. So, and you can do your

Well, it's not called continuing ed. You can do you can do all this online. You can get these classes online. Um, so that's it. Fair is fair. We are I want to send a message to the public that as a board, we are also and especially to the teachers because we're going to see cuts in the district and and they're

going to be sharp cuts. We've already cut travel with teachers. So, it's not really fair for me as a board president to say, "Well, we have unlimited travel and we're going to go where we want, but teachers, we're going to only allow you to travel under these circumstances." So, because we cut um the non-essential travel to the teachers, I figured that

we should also cut travel for the board. That's my answer. Elected officials. Uh now, it's um Mr. Barum, you had a comment. No, I mean, that's what I was going to say. We're we're we're trying to we're in budgetary crisis here and we need to curtail the travel. That's one area that uh we've talked about um with the

superintendent. It's it's we're cutting out non-essential travel and we're being fair to all the stakeholders. I mean, we're all stakeholders here. Granted, we have different roles, but we're all stakeholders and we're trying to be fair and equitable across the board. And I think quite frank, I mean, discrimination is a really a harsh word. It's reality. Wait, wait, don't

interrupt. It's a harsh word. Um, it's not being discriminatory. It's being fair and equitable across the board when you consider travel amongst all the stakeholders of the district. Okay. And then, um, Mrs. Wearsma, did you have a comment and then we'll take public comment. So, quick question first. Do we know if there's any online opportunity to view any aspect of CSVA? If someone

can't travel there, is that a cheaper option or is that not? Absolutely. I just stated that there is online opportunity, but that I actually do most of my continuing ed in person. So, I'd like to take the opportunity to do this, but board members that have already traveled at the expense of the district are welcome to get online um and

participate. Okay. So, that Wait, wait, wait. I I had a a continued thought. I feel like Okay. I need to just say one I agree with Dr. Kamroski that if a person wants this particular development they should be able to choose. So I agree with him on that. For me and my schedule um I work full-time. It's it's a really

busy time. So I personally would be okay to view from home but that's my personal situation and I think each trustee should still be able to make that decision. Okay. So we've had a comment just just real quick. Okay. So, uh we do get um every day an update from CSBA and they do have continuing education classes which are online which you could

always sign up for. Also, Keenan uh is doing the same thing. I did the Keenan training for um uh Title N. Uh, I know we totally cut out going to the excellence in education conference which is only in Palm Springs which doesn't even involve airfare. It only involved hotel and registration. Usually we send 50 people. Nobody is going this year for

the sake of saving money. And so I I think it's fair enough that we limit the number of people who go and I'm not going to go anyway. But that's all I have to say. Okay. Thank you. And I apologize. Do we have any public comment on this? We have one person. Oh. Oh, okay. I will I I'm going to have you

for the for which item is it for parliamentarian or for the CSBA conference? Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Could you start her? Yeah. So, um I'm going to talk about penny pinching. We spent a lot of money on legal fees last couple of years. If we hadn't, we would have reserved funds right now to go on this. I was going to

suggest that everybody if they everybody wants to go go to the next one that's in San Diego that doesn't involve airfare but I do agree like if I think it's a fair uh solution that uh Dr. Anderson proposed some people already went there are webinars if somebody's really interested in a topic that they can attend and uh I think you've proposed

cost cutting measures like sharing uh we did it all the time when I was a traininee we did it all the time somebody from your company shared the room with you and uh I I would rather like you know use the online version but I think like exploring the most cost-ffective version is good and I would like to point out the contrast

from the last time where members actually volunteered to let other people go and not go to save cost and now somebody's crying discrimination right now. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So I move to approve board member attendance with two board members attending the superintendent and um the superintendent secretary for the 2025 CSBA annual education conference in Sacramento. Do I have a second? Second.

Okay. Len Schwarz. Yes. No. Kamaroski. No. Barham. Yes. Anderson. Yes. Okay. The motion is adopted unanimously. Oh, I'm sorry. No, it was adopted three to two. Thank you, Mr. Bar. Okay. So, now we're gonna have um public comments for any of the Yes. Melanie followed by Gia or Gia, sorry. For information for all all of the rest

for information items or is this for closed? Okay. For information items, do we have any information items? Okay, we have one. We'll do closed. Well, yours is parental notification. Okay, let's start with notification. So, uh Melanie. Okay, go ahead, Melanie. Melanie, you're up first, followed by Yeah. Sorry, just just one minute. We're asking um if we want to do public

comments on closed session and then all the public comments for the at the after close session for We have two. Let's get going. Let's get going. Parental notification. Okay. I I just want to talk about what I'm going to in case this comes back. That fails when it comes back. So, there's been a board there's been a push from some of our board

members that we adopt this Chino Valley no deception policy. So I came at this trying to understand how they made this chino policy work. More importantly, what that would look like for our children and our teachers here because what we know from the past is that we can't just hand this to certified staff and then expect that to fly. Like this

has to be negotiated. That's not any sort of activism. That's the law. So how did they pull this off in Chino then? The short version is they didn't. Over the last few weeks, I've spoke with dozens of teachers, K through 12 teachers in Chino about this policy, and the answer has all been the same. No one was told what this policy means. No

one has received an email about it, no training or meetings. It was passed by the board and then nothing. This was not battle tested. The policy was lit literally never implemented in any school district. It passed the board. It's on the record and that's it. And yet the president of the Chino school board has been promoting this policy like it's a

model of success. At this point, either it's they're willfully misleading the public or they're unaware of what's going on in their district. Either way, that's not leadership and it's not something that Tmacula should be emulating. Calling this battle tested is generous. It's being treated like it's immune to criticism just because it hasn't been challenged in court. Uh but

here's why that matters. You can't get an injunction against a policy you've never actually used. And we know that because we tried to get away with that here. In other words, if there's no lawsuit in Chino to stop the policy, there's no lawsuit in Chino to stop the policy because the policy was never carried out. That's not proof of its

success. That's smoke and mirrors. With in a district our like ours where we have real challenges and limited resources, we can't afford to keep chasing after someone else's unfinished business. Thank you. Thank you, Gia. Hi, I'm Gia. I am going to be really brief. I had this whole thing prepared, but um I've reconsidered because I saw the way that the board has

come together and is discussing I think all the important things. This is regarding the outing policy. I'm so impressed with what you're doing and I feel like I don't need to add to the noise because I'm so proud of you all. So, let me just shut my pie hole and go sit back down and thank you for your

work. Thank you. Um, Len, you printed out um four extra copies of this. I'm going to leave it if anybody wants to see. Yeah. is was okay. That was that all the public comments? Okay. Yes, we have. Okay. Now we have um announcement of closed session. The board will now meet in close session to consider items listed in section G. Um do we have any

public comments on closed session items? Yes. Four. Okay. First up is GIA followed by Melanie. Um, does the board want to give the full three minutes to everyone with the time constraints? Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay, I'm back. Uh, this time I do have something to say. So, um, I've made my position clear in the past that I'm against the anti-CRT

policy. Um, CRT has never been taught in Tmacula. Redefining it as history that makes white students feel badly about themselves does not change that fact. Um, if real if history makes you feel proud and warm and fuzzy exclusively, you're not studying history. You're just being fed propaganda. And white men have been writing their history for centuries. And it's only fair to allow

minorities to be represented, too. Black history, Native American, Hispanic, Asian, women, queer history, all these minorities, they are our history in America, and they should also be taught in our schools. But before recognizing contributions of underrepresented groups, we also need to understand the adversity that these groups face before achieving their accomplishments. Shamefully, things like slavery, Stonewall, Operation Who ever

heard of that? The Tulsa Massacres, Indian Removal Act, Chinese Exclusion Act, Jim Crow RS Crow laws are just examples of that history. It's fiscally irresponsible to use attorneys at $620 an hour that have a conflict of interest and have an a an agenda because it's um it it's like having a fox guarding a hen house. Hundreds of thousands of dollars have

been wasted defending the anti-CRT policy to overpaid attorneys. Meanwhile, Tmacula is seeking a bond measure to get more funding for our schools so children can succeed. But denying history won't make schools safer. Uh starting culture wars won't make our students more successful. And spending money on litigation over policies that seek to preserve white privilege is not fiscally

responsible. And I hope you understand that when I say white privilege, that's not an accusation. It's just a statement of being. It's not saying you're responsible or you're responsible or you're responsible. It could have happened decades ago or centuries ago, but there are repercussions to things that have happened in the past and it affects the present and it affects the

future. So don't be offended when I say white privilege. Understand that it doesn't it's not an accus accusation. You still may face hardships. It just means that the hardships you faced have not been caused by the color of your skin. So, I hope that you will stay focused and understand that CRT is racist. And I know some of you don't

want to hear it, but anti-CRT anti-CRT policies are very racist. And I hope that you will get rid of them. And I hope that you'll get rid of the attorneys who have pushed for this all along. So, stay focused on the kids instead of wasting our money. Thank you. Thank you. six followed by update. So, we had the CRT ruling last week and

and I think there's a part of this policy that we don't really like to talk about around here and it's that this policy wasn't actually a homegrown policy. Um, this wasn't something that we wrote and built around the needs of our students and our teachers here. This policy was almost entirely lifted from another district. It was crafted by a

paid consultant who admitted that we don't teach CRT in our schools. The CRT ban wasn't a tmacula grassroots movement. It was a scripted playbook imported from another district and shaped by someone with a political agenda to sell his workshop and his books. and he didn't donate his expertise to us. He sold it to us to the tune of

$15,000. This wasn't about protecting our kids. It was about profiting off our fear and we took the bait. And I don't bring this up to shame anyone here because in in fact I believe that Dr. Kamroski and Miss Wesma were really trying to protect our community. But I also believe that they were misled by bad actors who have used our district

as a stage for their political agenda. And now we've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars defending a policy based on a problem we don't have. Meanwhile, we are now preparing to ask voters for a bond to fix a very real problem that we do have. Schools that desperately need repairs. So, how do we justify continuing to pour our money

into legal fees for culture wars? I know that there are some very important political fe leaders around here who have said, "Oh, I don't care how much money the district you have to use to defeat those lefties. Meanwhile, what? Our schools can crumble." This doesn't have to be a defeat for us. This can be a turning point for us. a moment where we rebuild

trust. Trust that our teachers are doing their jobs and following California standards. Trust that our school board is is going through our curriculum. They're vetting it properly instead of importing politics here. Trust that our parents are engaged and showing up at the open houses and asking questions and being part of the conversation because that's what real leadership looks like

and that's what we deserve here. Thank you. Thank you, followed by Jean. My name is Upne Daliwal and I have submitted a a detailed email to the board already, but I want to briefly address the heart of the issue and get it on record. Now, the district is facing a self-inflicted legal and financial crisis driven by resolution

21. rushed through without stakeholder input or legal review on previous board majority's first night in office. The code of appeal has now ruled it unconstitutionally vague and it is unlikely to survive any further legal challenges. This resolution is legally redundant, educationally meaningless, and fiscally irresponsible. Making matters worse, the board retained Advocates for Faith and Freedom, a law firm with clear

ideological ties and political agenda. Its principal, Bob Tyler, donated to the pack that supported the three board members who passed the resolution a clear conflict of interest. AFF's legal defense has been both inadequate and embarrassing. They presented no evidence that critical theory was ever taught or planned in this district. Worse, their attorney mischaracterized Jim Crow as a

civil rights figure, an egregious error that continued even after the judge corrected it. Our students deserve to learn full hi learn history fully and honestly without political interference. Continuing to defend this resolution offers no legal, financial, or educational benefit, only wasted taxpayer dollars and further harm to our district's reputation. I urge you to resend resolution 21, terminate the AFF

contract, hire competent independent legal counsel, and refocus on education, not politics. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay, last speaker, Jean. Good morning. My name is Jean Femia. Your close session item today concerns the lawsuits court recently ruled on. This lawsuit was filed by Tmacula students, parents, and teachers against a board resolution banning the teaching of critical race

theory, CRT, in Tmacula schools, which was passed in December 2022. The court ruled that the resolution was too vague to enforce. Let's take a quick look at the resolution and the lawsuit. First point, CRT had never been taught in Tmacula schools and there were no plans to teach it. The resolution was unnecessary. Second point, Dr. Kamroski and Mrs. Wearsma, you and Danny Gonzalez

presented the resolution at your first meeting as TVUSD trustees. You did not attend training for this job. You knew virtually nothing about the school district or how it works. At that meeting, students, teachers, and community members like me spoke against the resolution. Your fellow board members, Mr. Schwarz and Mrs. Barklay, who did know their job as trustees and

did know the district, urged you to wait and get input from staff and community before moving ahead. But you didn't. You ignored rational objections and advice, and you passed the resolution on the spot. As expected, the result was this lawsuit. Third point, at your August 2023 meeting, you approved a contract with Advocates for Faith and Freedom to

defend against the lawsuit. The contract locked the district into pursuing defense to the Supreme Court and paying AFF all fees if the district ever settled, refused to appeal, or fired AFF. These are clauses that an ethical legal legal firm would not include in a contract. Again, I and others pointed out these problems. And again, you ignored rational objections and

advice. So, here we are today. We have an unnecessary, vague resolution likely to lose in court, and we're tied to a costly, unethical, and frankly not very capable law firm. But fortunately, we now have trustees on this board who understand that their job is to spend taxpayer money on learning, not on attorneys. I urge you to end this

lawsuit as quickly as possible. Please do not let it continue. Do not let AFF rack up any more fees. I am not an attorney and I can't advise you on the best way to get out of this hole. Rescending the policy and firing AFM seem like the first two two steps, but please listen to good advice and follow

it. Let's start spending our money on and our time where we're supposed to on Tmacula students education. Thank you. Thank you. All right, we'll now go into close session. So, we're going