Board of Education — February 10, 2026

The regular meeting of the governing board of education is called to order by myself, Dr. Joseph Gamorroski at 3 p.m. on Tuesday, February 10, 2026 at the district office conference center. And we're at the approval of the agenda. Are there any requests for changes to the agenda? >> Yes. >> Okay. We have Mr. Schwarz first. Going to ask to remove uh Jay,

president's comments from the agenda. Is that a motion? >> Yes. I move to remove uh Jay, >> If you can go one at a time. Okay. Uh do you have anything else, Mr. Schwarz, or you just want to do one at a time here? >> Let's just do one at a time. >> I'm not asking you. Thank you. I'm

asking Mr. Schwarz. >> No, that's all. >> Thank you. Okay. Um >> do we have a second? >> There's no second. Okay. >> I'll second. >> Okay. We have a second. Call roll. >> Okay. Len, would you mind calling roll? >> Excuse me. Are we going to discuss it before we >> No. To be to be clear, during the agenda

approval, discussion is limited to the order or structure of the agenda, not the substance of the items. Policy discussions belong when the items are taken up later in the meeting. >> Okay. So, I'm going to call a point of order, Dr. Kroski. And the point of order is this is that an amendment to remove an item from the agenda can be

debated not on the merits of the item but why the item should be removed. >> I'm not going to recognize that. Basically, we are at the approval of the agenda and you're trying to steer it into the substance of the meeting and you've actually quite frankly done this the last four meetings. Mr. Barham, we're going to move along.

>> So So I I have one more point of order. >> Order Len order. Len, would you mind calling RO? Thank you. You're not recognized, Mr. Barham. We're going to call roll. >> Wearsma, >> no. Anderson, >> no. >> Barham, >> yes. >> Schwarz, >> Kamroski, >> no. Motion not adopted. Okay. So, any other board member have changes to the

agenda? >> I have some. Oh, let I think Dr. Anderson was next. >> Um, >> we're actually on Mr. Schwarz. Mr. Schwarz, do you have anything else? That's it. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. Dr. Anderson. Um, I just was going to suggest if we want we can combine item eight and nine because they both talk about subcommittees, but I'm good either way.

Do we want to combine those or leave them separate? It's uh just subcommittees. I I'm open to whatever the board wants to do. >> Okay. Are you making a specific motion? >> Um, no. I'm just looking for board feedback. Do you want to change it or leave it? >> I'm fine for keeping it. >> Okay, >> let's keep it.

>> Just keep it. I'm good for keeping it. >> I had one more um information item Q3. I only want to pull the community piece, the community letter piece, and have it reagendized with um I it's it's not consistent with the way that we um redact information. So um they redacted the person that submitted it, they redacted their name,

I think by mistake. So I just want to pull that and then resubmit it on the next agenda. and con consistent with how we've um submitted these in the past year. >> I'll second that. >> I'm sorry. I don't know what you're talking about. Could you please clarify? >> The cure correct letter. They redacted everybody all the information including

the person's name. But you don't redact the name. You just redact phone numbers, email addresses, and personal information. So consistent with how this board has submitted these curing corrects. >> And Dr. Anderson, you don't have to give justification. That's that's now we're getting into the substance. Yeah. Yeah. So, um there's a second. >> All right. Len, please call.

>> Could you please repeat the motion? >> Yeah. It's to remove item >> four. Four on action items. Oh, sorry. On information reports Q4, oh, sorry, Q3. Demand to cure incorrect >> cease and desist letters. >> I'm just Can I just look at it, please? >> Sure. >> Thank you. Q three. >> Don't we do that in close session? I'm

sorry. No. Aren't these items in close? >> It's an open It's an open session item. We may talk about certain things in close session, but right now we're just talking about the open session item being >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Schwarz. Okay. Len, would you mind calling roma? >> Yes. >> Anderson? >> Barham? Yes.

>> Schwarz. >> Kamaroski. >> Yes. Motion adopted 5-0. Okay, that's pulled. Um, any other amendments to the agenda? >> I have. >> Uh, Mr. Barham. >> Okay. So, I am moving to reorder close session in this order. Keep number one, then number five because we have an attorney coming. So, we need to respect the attorney's time. Then number I guess number four. I don't

I mean I guess we'll we can talk about number four. The reason I was going to talk about number four next is because we have those in open item open uh session but they're gone now. So I would say 156 which is the superintendent's uh evaluation and then the items that are low stake that I consider low stake

would be uh 43 and two which would be the former employee AB5 at the end. Um Mrs. Lash's item with respect to the chap issue and the cease and desist I guess can go at the end as well because We're not even going to do it. >> We don't need the because because that's getting into the substance. So, just let

me be clear that you want to reorder. You want it to be 156432. >> Yes. >> Okay. Got it. Do we have a second? We have a second for Mr. Schwarz. Len, would you mind calling roll? >> Where's my Can I ask a question? >> Sure. A clarifying question. >> So, so obviously as the president, I'm going to trust your judgment with

however this needs to flow and roll and closed. So, do you have an opinion? Yeah, I set the agenda with the superintendent and I'm just going to have it remain as it is and I'm going to vote accordingly. >> Okay. All right. >> But I respect I respect the points brought up. >> Can I can I talk about why I wanted to

do that? >> No, that's justification and right now we're just >> It's just as for justification. >> She just asked for justification. I mean I the only reason that >> I I didn't give you the floor. It was a clarifying question. >> May I please have the floor? >> No, you may not. Len, would you please call rollersma?

>> No. Anderson, >> no. >> Barham, >> yes. >> Schwarz, >> Kamroski, >> no. Motion not adopted. Thank you. Mr. Barham, do you have any of our other requests for the agenda? >> I do. Okay. So, I would like to amend the agenda to add exhibit 6141 to >> Oh, excuse me. No, that's not agendaized. We're not going to add right

here in open session. >> Dr. Kamaskki, I have the right I have the right to amend the agenda to add an item per the rules of order. >> If you want to continue, I'm going to cut your mic. I'm going to cut your mic. >> If you do not allow me to do the violated actually, point of order. Can I

as the previous president, can I clarify this? You cannot add stuff to the agenda legally. I tried to do it before and the attorney said that >> Yes, I can. I can do it and I I'm requesting that I that I do it. >> You are not recognized. Thank you. Do you have any other requests to remove or

edit things from the agenda? >> I am going to request that I that this agenda be amended. >> You've already been answered >> and we can we can Yeah, this is this is actually against the law and I'm not going to let you uh proceed with lawfare. So, no, >> you're violating board policy 93. >> L, would you mind shutting off his mic?

I'm not going to accept this. You've been doing this for the last four or five board meetings. We just want to approve the agenda. >> I'm allowed to do it under the rules. Thank you. >> I don't Thank you. Okay. Do you have any other request >> other than the fact that you follow the rules of order and the bylaws that

govern us? >> Actually, I do. I forgot. I forgot one. >> Okay, we're we're going to Mrs. Wearsman next and then I'll get back to you, Mr. Schwarz. Thank you. And and you know, to expedite the meeting, guys. We are just trying to approve the agenda at this point. You might want to add them all at once so we can expedite it and move

along. Thank you, >> Mrs. Wema. Any changes to the agenda? >> No. >> Okay. Uh Dr. Anderson? Nope. Mr. Schwarz. >> Yes. It's an item I put on the agenda. Uh action item 11 referring to uh Grock AI, I realized after talking with the superintendent that this even though it was my concern that our students uh be

protected from it. Uh I after consulting with Dr. VZ, I felt it should come from uh Mr. Evans and the AI department, not from me. And so, uh, I'm going to ask to remove it from the agenda and refer it to, uh, the staff for, uh, Jimmy Evans to send out the notice to parents about it. >> I'll second that. And if there's no

other changes to the agenda, we have one item pending, and that's the one Mr. Schwarz just mentioned, which is action action item P1. Outside of that, the agenda remains the same, and I second it. >> Call. >> Call roll, please. >> Sorry, yes. Anderson, >> yes. >> Barham, >> no. >> Schwarz, >> Kroski, >> yes. Motion adopted. Was that four to

one? >> That was my motion. >> Is that >> I seconded your motion. We just approved the agenda. >> We just approved the agenda with the edit to remove Grock. >> Ai. >> No. >> And I made that clear on the motion. >> Um, okay. Well, that wasn't clear to me, but >> it wasn't clear to me. I'm going to

vote. >> I made it I made it clear to the whole board. >> It's okay. I I'm just going to clarify that it wasn't clear to me. Okay. I'm not going to ar I'm not going to argue. >> You You actually don't have the floor, Mr. Schwarz, and I'm just going to lead the meeting. Thank you. That's what I

was elected to do by the majority of the board. So, to be clear, what I said was you have a motion on the floor to approve the agenda with the exception of removing removing action item 11, danger of Grock AI. I seconded it, then we called roll. I believe it passed 4 to one. Len. Okay. Four to one. Okay. Approve

the agenda. Announcement of close session items. Um, so that's where

Okay, I'm going to hand the meeting over to our wonderful superintendent, Dr. BZ. >> Hello. Well, good evening. I think we're still afternoon, actually. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you so much for being here. I want to introduce our outstanding kind of director of communications. I took your title, Mr. Marble, and I kind of shortened it just a little bit. Yeah, it's very long. I

want to welcome you. There you go. I want to welcome you all here today. This is the most um the funnest part, the best part of this job is to celebrate families and to celebrate most importantly our kids. So, I'm going to have Mr. Marble come up. We have some outstanding recognitions tonight. So, Mr. Marble, it's all yours.

There we go. Like I said, all right. Well, good evening, governing board. Good evening, executive cabinet. Um, like Dr. Vez said, I'm really excited to be here tonight. Um, my job is the easy one. I just get to introduce the important people. Uh, we have two different groups that we're going to be recognizing tonight. Um, the first group

is from our Tmacula Valley High School regenerative agriculture CTE program. So, I'm going to bring up their two teachers, Mrs. Megan Manion and Mr. Toby Brandon, who are going to tell you a little bit about the program and we're going to recognize some students within that. So, come on up. [applause] >> Hello. Happy National CTE Month. Um, our

regenerative agriculture program is a CTE course at Tmacale Valley High School. So, I wanted to shout out for CTE. So, today we are here to honor students. Um, these outstanding students have collectively invested thousands of hours of their own time into our regenerative agriculture project at Tmacula Valley High School. We even have a puma from Chapperel High School that has

volunteered over 500 hours over the past four years. Six of these students devoted their time to an internship at Wilson Creek Vineyards, often starting work at 5:30 a.m. during their summer break and before school. They conducted soil tests, water infiltration tests, took leaf samples and berry samples for analysis, and even worked with falconers in the vineyard. their opportunity to

learn these skills and show they show how incredible uh internships are for our students. Uh most recently, this group of students completed the planting of our 140 tree olive grove. They carefully measured and laid out the rows to align with our already existing vineyard, calculated proper spacing, marked each tree location with a flag, and then installed the entire irrigation

system using more than 4,000 ft of poly tubing and micro sprinklers. >> And we are incredibly grateful for the hard work and dedication of these students. Our TVHS farm is flourishing because of you, and we're so grateful. We also thank our industry partners Greg, Tom, Paul, Paul, and Georginetta for sharing your expertise and inspiring our students. >> All right. So, here are the students

being recognized. >> Michelle Rodriguez Dominguez [cheering and applause] Aiden Han, [applause] Cole Osborne, Keegan Harney, Noah Gay, Ulissiz Oliver, [applause] Eric Monzano, >> Thomas Haynes, >> [applause] >> Emanuel Andre Lopez, [applause] >> Oh, and Evan Almanor. Sorry. >> I am going to call up our industry partners too. We have Greg Penny Royal from Wilson Creek Winery. Paul Everett from Redi Landscape

Restoration. [applause] Tom Curry from Tmacula Olive Oil Company and Paul Berley from Pulsating Irrigation. >> Window. Find a window. Oh, perfect. You guys are doing a great job. Sorry, I got to back up. All right, for our next announcement, um, so thank you to Mrs. Manion and Mr. Brandon. Um, they lovingly call the area where they work the hill. Um, and they

do amazing work out there. Our next announcement, I'm going to bring up our director of educational services, Mr. Mr. Joe Bellow to talk about another one of our favorite events. Mr. Joe Bow. >> Thank you, Mr. Marble. Um, on a night where we're recognizing many of our students, um, uh, it is I wanted to take a couple seconds to introduce to you, we

hired a new ELA TOSA this year, um, Donna Croninfeld, and she's going to come up right behind me here in a second to introduce two students who were the winner and the runner up of our district spelling be this year. And one of the um key programs that our ELA TOSSA um runs, coordinates, and organizes each year is

the district spelling bee. And so um her first year in, she did a fantastic job. I also before I bring up Miss Croninfeld, wanted to thank Nicole Deas um our assistant superintendent over educational support services as uh she was our B master this year and did a wonderful job pronouncing all the words correctly. So thank you, Miss Deis. And

with that being said, I'd like to bring up Miss Croninfeld who will introduce our winner and our runner up. [applause] >> Good evening, President Kamroski, Superintendent Dr. Valz, and members of the school board. It is an honor to stand here tonight and celebrate the incredible linguistic linguistic talent of our TV our TVUSD students. This year's TVUSD spelling bee was a

master class in focus and academic grit. We began with a highly competitive field, but after eight rounds, the competition narrowed down to our two final competitors. For the next three rounds, these two went head-to-head in a brilliant display of poise and preparation. In the 11th round, our winner successfully navigated the complexities of the word candalabram. Not to mention some of the other words

that came up that I don't even think I can pronounce as well as our bee master did. Please join me in first recognizing our runner up, Eric Vascara. [applause] >> Eric, your performance was outstanding and you pushed the competition to a high level. Congratulations on an incredible achievement. Good job. >> [applause] >> And now it is my distinct pleasure to

introduce the 2026 TVUSD spelling champion, Ria Reesh. [applause] >> Ria, your dedication has earned you the top spot. And we are proud to announce that she will be representing TVUSD at the Riverside County Spelling Bee in March. Congratulations. [applause] Behind every successful event like this is a team of dedicated educators who go above and beyond for our students. Susie

Rhodess from Tmacula Luceno Elementary and Callie Stron from Bella Vista Middle School. I would like to say thank you for your support supporting these students and thank you for taking the helm to be a site coordinator at your school. Congratulations again to our winners and Ria, we can't wait to hear how you do at the Riverside County Spelling Bee. Congratulations

[applause] Thank you everyone. As we wrap up our photo moments, that wraps up our recognitions for tonight. Friendly reminder, I'm going to call us to order in 3 minutes. If everybody could please take their seats. >> Okay. >> Is the mic actually working? Yeah. Thank you. Okay, this is a call to um order. Uh good evening and welcome at

the regular open session meeting of Tmacula Valley Unified School District Board of Education, February 10th, 2026 at 6 p.m. The board has been in close session since 3 p.m. In attendance this evening are governing board members myself, Dr. Joseph Kamaroski, Dr. Melinda Anderson, Mrs. Jen Worsma, Mr. Steven Schwarz, Mr. Ramil Barham, Miss Melissa Chai, student board member,

secretary to the board. We have Dr. Kimberly in the executive team. And we will now have the pledge of allegiance. Veil Ranch Middle School ASB students, Grayson Schuster, Gracian Schustster, Lily Moore, Logan Evans, Alyssa, uh, Felenuela, uh, Zayn Willibanks, and Graham Christopher. Excuse me if I mispronounce your name. Thank you. And just a quick FYI shout out, uh Melissa Chai, our student school

board member, is at a scholarship event. Congrats to her. [clears throat] Okay. Um board president comment. Okay. on this one. I just want to let people out there know just a quick um factoid. Today is National Crossing Guard Day. And I'd like to take a moment to recognize and thank our crossing guards across the district. Each day

they're often the first friendly face our students see in the morning and the last one they see that when they head home. Their presence provides safety, reassurance, and the sense of care for our students and family. Rain or shine, they stand at intersections ensuring our children arrive at school and return home safely. We are deeply grateful for

their dedication, professionalism, and commitment to our community. On behalf of the board of education, thank you all to our crossing guards for the important role you play in keeping our students safe. [applause] And last, since we're entering into the 250th uh year in celebration of our great nation, just want to do a quote from Abraham Lincoln upon the subject of education, not

presuming to dictate any plan or system. Repeating it, I can only say that I view it as the most important subject which we are a people can be engaged. And that's from Abraham Lincoln. And that does it for the patriotism and the um shout out to the crossing guards. Um thank you. Okay. Readout uh taken in close action.

I'll hand it over to the um governing board clerk. Actions taken in close session must be reported to the public once closed session ends. Today's school close session began at 3 p.m. The board of education took the following action and close sessions. All right. It was moved by member Schwarz and seconded by member Wearsma to deny the claim for damages for BJS

received January 13, 2026. The vote passed 50. It was moved by member Komaroski and seconded by member Anderson to deand to deny the demand to cure and correct the vote. The um motion passed 50. seconded by member Wearsma to deny the demand to cure and correct cease and desist. The vote was 32. Wearsma yes. Anderson yes. Barham no. Schwarz, no.

Comoski, yes. It was motioned by Schwarz and seconded by Anderson to approve the revised stipulated language for case number CVSSW2306224. The vote was passed unanimously 5-0. And last, it was moved by member Barham and seconded by member Schwarz to approve the superintendent goals for this year. The vote was 50-0 unanimous. Thank you. >> Thank you, Dr. Anderson. Okay, so now

we're going to move on to student spotlights. And since our student uh board member Melissa Chisnaugh here, I'm going to welcome up from Chapperel High School, Geneva Hu, and Colby Kremer. Welcome up. >> Good evening, Superintendent VeZ, board members and cabinet members. My name is Genevie Hua, Chapperel's, ASB president, >> and I'm Colobby Kmer, ASP Vice President. Thank you for having us

tonight. Here are some highlights from around our campus. >> We'd like to start by recognizing our recent senior nights for wrestling, soccer, and basketball. These events allowed us to celebrate our senior athletes at their last home game and recognize the dedication, leadership, and commitment they've showed their teams. >> There was great support from the students families. And we'd also like to

recognize our Lady Puma sports captains who recently went to a sports conference. This experience gave our student athletes the opportunity to grow as leaders and represent Chapel with pride. These opportunities help our athletes bring leadership back uh to our campus and we're grateful for the continued support of girls athletics. >> Looking ahead, we're excited to be hosting our culture fair on February

27th from 5:00 to 7:00 p.m. >> Culture Fair is an event open to all and will celebrate the diversity of our campus through student led displays, performances, and cultural experiences. We were also excited to hold our club rush, giving students the chance to explore clubs, meet new people, and get involved beyond the classroom. >> Finally, we'd like to recognize our mock

trial team who recently competed and finished with a strong 3 to1 record. Their success reflects the hard work, preparation, and dedication they put into our club. >> We'd also like to shout out Officer Bowers for continued support and protection on campus. Thank you again for your time and continued support of our students and school community. Now, please enjoy the short video

highlighting our recent events, and we look forward to sharing even more with you in the future. >> Sorry. [applause] >> If we do get a video, we will make sure and share it with the entire board. Thank you. >> Okay. Okay, next up from Great Oak High School, I welcome up Abby Huth and Amina Shams. >> Good evening, board. I'm Amina.

>> And I'm Abby. And we are so excited to be back sharing what we've been up to at Great Oak. >> We left off January with our winter sports rally where we were able to recognize our teams with a fun Scooby-Doo theme and got the crowd excited with all of our games. Our spirit week for the rally was

competitive. We did color wars, duo day, decades day, and neon for the rally. Our red wave brought the spirit back at our silent seven white lies and senior night where our boys brought a win every time. Our boys basketball team is currently going into CIF division 2 with their f um first game tomorrow at Rancho Verde. Our girls soccer is D1 and they'll be

playing at Ellison Miguel on Thursday. Our seniors are super stoked for the upcoming Disney trip. Their bus selection is later this month and they've been working on getting their tickets settled. We've also been creating hype for our leadership elections, which are when our campus is covered with all their posters and it gives everyone a chance to run for

president. We've also been preparing for Rip Tide Week, where we'll be bringing back the spirit of summer with spirit days, rallies, powderpuff, and charity opportunities. Our ASL showcase is tomorrow night. They will start at 600 p.m. in the Performing Arts Center. We hope to see you all there. This Thursday, our physics class will be going to Knottberry Farm so that they

could see physics in action. On Thursday, we are also celebrating CPR day. February is heart month, so our students and staff will be able to learn how to perform CPR and hear stories from our very own staff and people in our community about how CPR literally saved their lives. Thank you for having us and don't forget to #be the ones since

that's our theme for this year. This spring, we're going to be the ones to bring the spirit back. Thank you guys. [applause] >> Okay, next up, I'd like to welcome from TCA Valley High School, Megan Hammond and Kenzie McMackin. Welcome up. Good evening. Thank you for having us here tonight. I'm excited to be back this evening. I'm joined by one of our

new spotlight representatives. I'm Kenzie and I'm Grace. We want to begin with some congrats to our winter athletic teams. The Bears really had an amazing season and are still going. We have five teams that went to CIF playoffs and three league championships. Our boys wrestling team showed up again with their 38th consecutive undefeated league title and then last week won

their 21st CIF championship. This weekend they're sending all 14 boys who made it to CIF to the finals with eight girls. A big shout out to Ashton Lassig, a varsity wrestler who won his fourth straight CIF individual championship. He's been on varsity since his freshman year. We could we could go on and on about wrestling. It's been another

historic year. Boys basketball hosts round one tomorrow against Nogales High School. And we've got boys and girls soccer this week at home for CIF playoffs. You may have read about both teams in the community connection newsletter. Both of our varsity soccer teams went undefeated in league and were Southwest league champions. That's the first time that's ever happened at TV.

As we said, it's been an amazing athletic season. Go Bears. There's other exciting things happening at TV. Senior superlative nominations went out yesterday. There's always lots of talk about who to vote for, the best deal, class clown, and most likely to survive a zombie apocalypse. On Thursday, the seniors are getting together for a senior movie night. They're watching High School Musical 3

in honor of senior year and graduation coming up. We expect to see lots of seniors there having a great time with their friends. The annual lunchtime dodgeball tournament begins in a couple weeks. We've already got 16 teams signed up, four of which are a part of the girls league tournament. It's a highlight. Each year students can participate in the friendmatics

questionnaire activity. Students answer questions, get to know you style questions like how you order your hamburger and how you sleep, how late do you sleep on Sundays. And then they're paired with fellow gold bears. It's really fun. We all get the results next week. The class of 2020 the class of 2030 is coming our way next week. Crazy. It's

Cubs on campus on February 19th. It will definitely be a busy and exciting day for ASB and the Golden Guides providing tours to the current eighth graders. Student representatives get to share more about all the electives, athletics, activities, and clubs that TV has to offer. It's fun for the eighth graders to see all the insane amount of options,

but it's also fun for the reps to share about the things that they are so passionate about. It's a proud moment. We're excit We're excited about the fashion show in a couple weeks. ASB pairs with our fashion club to host our annual show where outfits are mostly made up of donated clothes that are part of our campus clothing pantry. And last

week, we celebrated counselor appreciation week where we had the student body write notes to counselor and other staff from building 4 and made a video honoring them. We really got to show our appreciation for all the amazing work our counselors do in our school. Thank you for having us and we'll see you next month. Go Bears. >> Thank you so much, Grace and Kenzie.

[applause] And I apologize, Grace. We didn't have the name updated. Next time, I'll check in with you in case there's uh additions. Okay. Next, we're going to welcome up um school related organizations from TVA, Edgar Diaz. [applause] [cheering] Good evening board staff. Uh educators in Tmacula Valley work every day to engage, inspire, and provide access to a

stellar education. They elevate learning experiences and provide support above and beyond. Tonight, as you consider cuts to students ability to access their education by providing them the support they need through HIA or real-time support at the high schools, we want you to consider what you are leaving behind. The minimum students attend HIA because that is the school of last resort.

Students transfer here from our schools and around the valley. Students or parents may have medical conditions that limit their physical access to school. Currently, they have access to an educator who teaches them every day and can help them guide through the learning to reach their goals. What will they have now? Not nearly that. Instead of cutting, the TVSD

district should have invested in publicity and recruitment to keep this valuable program. At the high schools, social workers engage with students to help them stay in school and access in-class instruction so they can be prepared and confident and not have to leave campus. They provide space, strategies, and reminders to access their education and to help them succeed. What you will leave behind is

question marks on how to provide the support with less people. Because when you have a program that's successful, you do not want to dismantle it, but it will not be the same. Your reductions in programs has real-time consequences to students when they need support the most. That is a pattern even our educators experience. Educators may have put in decades of sacrifice, donated

time, invested energy, prioritize students over their families to reinforce the community they work in. Yet, when they face a serious illness, TVSD falls back to the minimum. Do you know that when an educator encounters serious serious illness, they have access to 5 months or 180 work days of leave before losing pay and they bear the full cost of medical care? Do you

know that TVSD does the minimum by counting five months, which includes days where there are no students present? Do you know that when an educator is on long-term medical leave, the pay is reduced by the cost of a sub, even on holidays when they do not work? We have people fighting illness, waiting to birth healthy babies, recovering and

trying to have enough time to recover to return to work. The extra three weeks they could gain by not counting Thanksgiving and Christmas break could be a blessing for their health. But TVSD is fine letting them endure the extra distress. Fine with the minimum. Our educators and students have waited for years for you to agree on where we stand

in the budget in regard to fully and safely staffing classrooms. Many times creating unsafe conditions for learning. We also have now in February, your educators and employees wait for the state cola that was provided to you in July and has yet to be released for bargaining. But I bet you will do the minimum. TVSD, the highest performing

district, should support their students and employees. [cheering] [applause] We don't have anybody from CSCA, so I'm going to welcome up Stephanie McCauley from PTA. >> Good evening. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak with you tonight in recognition of PTA Founders Day, February 17th. Each year, PTA Founders Day gives us a moment to pause and reflect on a powerful idea that

began over a century ago. That when families, schools, and communities work together, children thrive. In 1897, PTA founders Alice Mlen Bernie and Phoebe Apperson Hurst believed that advocating for the well-being, education, and safety of children could truly change the future. And they were right. Today, that vision lives on in our schools through the countless PTA volunteers who

give their time, energy, and hearts to support students, teachers, and administrators. PTAs help bridge the gap between home and school. They fund programs and resources, organize family engagement opportunities, advocate for students, and foster a strong sense of community on our campuses. But PTAs do more than raise funds or host events. They create partnerships. They give parents a voice, support educators, and

help ensure that every child feels valued and supported. The work of PTA volunteers often happens quietly and behind the scenes. But its impact is felt every day in the classrooms, on playgrounds, and throughout our school communities. On this Founders Day, it is an honor for TVC PTA to recognize 17 of these wonderful community members and volunteers at our ceremony next week. It

is a privilege to work alongside these thankless individuals. On behalf of our PTA leaders, members, and volunteers, thank you for your continued support of family engagement and community involvement in our schools. We are grateful for the partnership we share with this board and our district, and we look forward to continuing our work together on behalf of all students.

Thank you. >> [applause] >> Thank you. Okay, now we're on to student comments. Len, how many do we have? >> One. Okay. >> Welcome up, >> Jack Callahan. [applause] All right, good evening board members. Uh, I'm back again. Um, I hope that this meeting runs efficiently, even more efficient than the last one, which was a step in the right direction. Uh, but

unfortunately that's not what I'm here to talk about. I'm here to talk about you must treat the students that come up and speak as adults. I am 17 years old. I'm about to turn 18 this year and I will be voting next year. [cheering] [applause] In recent actions that I won't be getting into, not necessarily done by

the board, but actually by the community itself, the students have been treated as if we are influenced and indoctrinated by the education that we receive within this district. I would like to address that and directly say we are intelligent human beings. We deserve the right to have our own opinion. And nobody here, I'm not sure if you guys

have any teenagers anymore. If you have had teenagers, teenagers are pretty stubborn. Um, we don't really take y'all's opinions into account when we come out and we speak. Um, I know y'all probably saw that we organized a protest. That's not influenced by anybody else. We do that out of our own heart. And so I ask when we come up here and speak, when you

speak about us in the community, that you do not look down upon us as students, but you look at us as not necessarily equals, but as people that actually have solid reasoning, logic, and their own personal opinions and ideologies. Thank you for your time. [applause] >> Thank you. Okay, now we're on to action items. N one, establishing a voting

order for the board deliberations. On this one, this is reaggendized. We did this last meeting, but this is a formal adoption. And the order that we had last time was Whisma, Anderson, Barham, Schwarz, Kamaroski, and Mrs. Chai. So, unless there's a motion, a second or um well, we can have a motion, a second unless there's discussion. >> Yes, I have a comment

>> book on the agenda. >> Okay, >> I did for a formal Yes. So, we can we can follow the um order or we can go out of it. So, we can do whis Anderson Barham Schwarz as far as comments, but I I have a um a grid up here. So, Mr. Schwarz, feel free to go first.

>> Yeah. Um, since we follow Robert's rules of order, I've done a whole bunch of research on this issue. I have a bunch of pages, but I'll just give you the summary. [clears throat] According to Robert's rules of order, voting is simultaneous, not sequential. Members vote at the same time, usually by voice vote, saying I or no, show of

hands or rising vote. Robert's rules does not call members one by one to state their vote. Why, you might ask. Do Robert's rules avoid ordered or roll call voting? Well, I'll answer you. Robert's philosophy is that members should vote independently without pressure from hearing how others vote first. Voting should be free from influence, coercion, or intimidation. Equity of members is preserved when no

one votes first or last. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Schwarz. Anybody else? >> It's interesting because Dr. Kamaroski, I remember back in the day when you actually suggested working towards the possibility of having that very option where everyone votes together electronically. I believe the city may have that as an option. So, I just want to say I know that you've exhausted uh

those types of discussions in the past. I know that we can choose to follow Robert's rules or we can deviate as the board might want to do. So, just want to say I know you were on that long ago. >> Thank you, Mr. Baram. >> Okay. So, I remember a time when Dr. Kamroski was the president that there

was no voting order and you were all saying I or no. And I think that that that's one of the prescriptions of the rules of order. And when you say Mrs. Weisma that we have flexibility in following the rules of order. We actually don't because according to bylaw 9323.7 which we're going to address in the next item um Robert's rules of order was um

voted on that we would commit to that and that is part of our bylaw. So as are expected to follow the bylaws which incorporates the rules of order. So, I'm going to take objection with you in terms of flexibility in following the rules of order. And the rules of order in this case in terms of voting order

say that we all vote at the same time. So, I'm going to suggest that we go back when Dr. Kamroki was the president before he was recalled. And it's a vote of it's it's it's a vote of of I or nay at the same time. And that way there's no um pressure to hear a vote before another. Okay, that's all I have.

>> Dr. Anderson, >> under Robert's rules of order newly rise revised edition, a roll call vote or vote by roll call is supported in certain situations. Some of them may be high controversial or high impact decisions, matters involving discipline, ethics, and censure. actions with significant public interest or legal consequences. This is about transparency, not about legality. When a

board member requests it, any member may request a roll call vote. The chair should grant the request unless the assembly or the majority say otherwise. No second is required in many bo bodies, though local rules may differ. We do not have a special rule of order regarding uh roll call or not. Um, it is up to the

discretion of the president. When I was president, I did roll call vote because I didn't want discrepancies and sometimes I couldn't hear who said yay or who said nay. So, I believe it's up to the president to decide do they want to do roll call or do they not? But Robert's rules does not say that there is no roll call vote. It actually

supports a roll call vote and it has um terms by which we may do it. But in the end there are times last I would say do I have a consensus or len call role just depending on the moment. So I really think that we need to leave it up to the board president to decide and having an

order set in place ahead of time um will just stop help with confusion so that each time someone decides they want to call roll we don't have to decide all over again who's going to be first. >> All right. >> Thank you Dr. Anderson. Um, I'd like to weigh in. I would love love love to vote all at once, but it requires technology

which requires money. So, if the board's willing to consider that in the future, I would love love love it. Right now, I think this voting order helps Len keep track of the board. And again, a couple people mention it. When there's eyes and ns and nos and yeses flowing all at once, it is confusing to disseminate who

voted what, who voted when. Sometimes people vote simultaneously. So, I'm for the order for now. And there you go. So that's first round. Any other uh discussion before? >> Yeah, I didn't want Mr. Schwarz get into the nitty-gritty, but since we're going to I will continue. >> Under Robert's rules of order, newly revised, no single voting method is

required in all cases. The default is a voice vote with other methods used when accuracy or recordkeeping is needed. Default method, voice vote. Voice vote is a standard and preferred method for most motions. The chair asks for the eyes and nose and announces the result. When other methods are used, it provides several working methods used in specific

situations. Used when the chair is uncertain of the voice vote result. So if the eyes and nose are uncertain, you can then ask for a roll call vote. When a member calls for a division of the assembly, no vote is required to demand it. Use when you when you need a precise counted vote, you can do a roll call vote.

Not required. Not required by bylaws are applicable law. Ballot vote required when the bylaws say so, which they don't. Important points. A member does have not have an automatic right to demand a roll call vote. Roll call voting is considered exceptional, not routine. Voice vote is a default and the normal sufficiency. Thank you. >> So from my end, I'm just going to

support the president and how you'd like to do it. I've been first right off the bat. So, I've had that pressure and I'm happy to do that. Happy to do it at the same time. It doesn't matter. But Dr. Kamroski, you're leading and I trust your judgment. >> Thank you. Anybody else? >> Mr. Barn. >> Okay. So I would like to propose a

compromise that under the rules of order which is under bylaw 9323.7 which we are required to follow by state law that we proceed with the voice vote simultaneously and if the president has some difficulty in in in uh in ascertaining who the eyes's and the nays are. It's a it's an easy fix. We'll do a voice vote. I mean, and or we'll do a

sequential vote and and that I think is a fair compromise. We've done it before and if you know, and I can understand that. I mean, if I'm sitting in that seat, I may not be able to ascertain what what the uh what the uh who has the eyes and the nates, but it's it's quite simple. Len, let's do a sequential vote

and let's just go down the line. That's it. >> Dr. Anderson, >> so I'm confused. You just said you want us to all yell out at the same time and then if he can't hear it then we'll have Len ask individually. >> So we all yell out iron at the same time >> and then if we can't understand then we

say Len now call RO. >> Yeah, it's Yeah, it's it's not that hard. >> I just want to clear out you want us all to yell out. Okay. >> Yeah, it's not that hard. >> Thank you. I'm going to move to establish a voting order for board deliberations. I call for a motion in a second that the board establish a formal

voting order for all motions. The one that we already adopted in January in this present order. We're Smith, Anderson, Barham, Schwarz, Kamaroski, and Shai. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Um discussion. >> We've already exhausted our >> No, no. I want to know what you're basing the order on. >> I'm not recognizing your You don't have

the floor. You've already commented twice, Mr. Shore. There is no >> point of order, Dr. Kamar. >> I'm not recognizing you. >> You've already spoke twice and there you go. So, let's act professional, Mr. Schwarz. Thank you. Len, would you mind calling role? >> Where's Excuse me. Point of order is acting professionally under Robert's rules. >> Your point is not well taken. You

>> If you don't want to follow the [applause] rules, that's You can bang that gavvel. You can bang that gavvel until doomsday. If you don't want to follow the rules, will you silence the mic? Repercussions. >> Will you silence the mic? If you act unprofessional, we're going to cut the mic because you've already exhausted your speaking. >> Following the rules.

>> Okay. So, Dr. Kamaskki, I do not recognize. You do not have the floor. I wanted to be recognized. >> Yeah. >> I just want We're calling ro. >> Dr. [clears throat] Kamaroski. >> Where's Anderson? >> Yes. Barham, >> I'm sorry. What's what's the motion here? >> I'm sorry. What is the motion? >> The motion is to establish a voting

order for board deliberations. The current voting order is Wearsma, Anderson, Barham, Schwarz, Kamaroski, and Shai. That is the motion and that and we had a second on it. We are in the middle of a vote. Cast your vote. >> Um the vote is no. >> Schwarz, >> the vote is no because it is illegal. >> Kamroski. >> Yes. Motion adopted 3 to two.

>> Dr. Kasi, can I make a Can I make a a point? >> You're not re You're don't have the floor. Can >> you recognize me, please? >> You do not have the floor. >> I just want to make one point. >> You do not have the floor and you are unruly. >> I'm just asking if I if I can make a

point. >> You do not have the floor. We're on to action item two. Board recommend uh board recommitting itself to formally adopting Robert's rules of order newly revised to govern parliamentary procedure during governing board meetings in bylaw 9323.6. 7 as well as other provisions of bylaw 9323.7. We can start discussions. You are the one that agendaized this.

Mr. Barham, you can go first. Thank you. So, I think part of the reason that our meetings last so long, it's not really because it's not really because of the the disagreements that we have. It is because we don't follow the rules of order and we haven't followed them. This goes back a long way. And I'm asking for that when

a board member has a point of order because the rules of order are not being followed that we take a breath and that we learn together so that these meetings run smoothly and that we have a proper governance structure in place if we learn together here because the rules of order demand order. There's no flexibility in the rules. That's why

they're called the rules of order. And state law requires us to follow our bylaws, which includes the rules of order. So if we are not going to follow the rules of order that means we are violating our bylaws which means we are violating state law which is the open transparency laws that we are we are required to follow so that we are open

to the public in our u forms of debate so that we can represent our constituents properly. And that is why these rules of order within bylaw like you mentioned 9323.7 are so important and it's going to make our meetings we're g we're going to we're going to have well-run meetings if we can all agree to follow the rules and if we

can't and if we have a disagreement let's take a breath step back and talk about it so that we can learn together. >> Thank you. I'll recognize Dr. Anderson >> Robert's rules of order 12th edition section 23. The chair rules on all points of order. The rule is based on the chair's judgment interpretation. The ruling stands unless appealed and as Mr.

as one of the board members previously was um incorrect. An appeal does need a second. Um the ruling reflects the chair chair's interpretation. The chair has discretion. And I want to point out that at our last meeting that um someone one of the members that actually put this on here actually broke the rules of order and they spoke out of turn and they got

an extra turn to speak that no other board member got. So they got extra time and an extra turn to speak. So I I do challenge these two board members that want to read this to please like keep going, keep studying. you've you've broken it. And also in the December meeting, there were times I was speaking and I was completely interrupted and

spoken over the entire time that I was trying to give a comment. Um, and it was very embarrassing. So, I just want to say like I agree. We we just adopted these rules of order um per the attorney's request. We don't need to readt them. um students, schools, financial responsibility. We don't need to readt these and uh I think we should

just move forward. >> Thank you, Dr. Anderson. Anybody else? >> Yes, >> Mr. Schwarz. >> I find it incredible that we're going to adopt the rules of order when Mrs. Weman just said we don't have to follow the rules of order. Give me a break. Either we do or we don't. You might have discretion in deciding if a point of

order is well taken. I grant you that. But if we're going to follow them, then follow them. Can't say, "Well, if the president wants not to follow them, we don't have to." That's ridiculous. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I'm going to hand something out to all the board members. Okay, we're still proceeding, Dr. Kamaroski, with our debate time.

>> My time is running. >> I read this out loud. I've made edits. The first two lines um will recommit and it will say, "The board recognizes Robert's rules of order as adopted general parliamentary guidelines, not law. These guidelines are applied at the discretion of the board president when our bylaws are silent. do not override the Brown Act, education code or board

policy. All trustees refrain full sorry all trustees retain full participation in voting rights. Parliamentary guidelines simply structure how discussion occurs so the board conduct its uh business efficiently. I'm going to call for a motion and a second to adopt this. And before I just want to draw a point of order. We either follow or we don't. Mr. Schwarz, Mr. Barham,

let me just read to you section 331. To claim the floor, a member rises at his place when no one else has the floor. You didn't rise and nor would I expect you to because there's a bunch of things in here we don't follow. So, you either follow them or you don't. And I'm just drawing out just one of many. And that's

why they are general guidelines, not the law, and it's the discretion of the board president. So, I agree with Dr. Anderson. When these get in the way, the meeting doesn't the meeting doesn't proceed. efficiently. And so that's my um motion. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Second by Mrs. Wson. >> All right. So I I have a question, Dr.

Kamaskki. >> So we have an exa Wait. Uh let me go through the cycle again. Okay. So now your uh two-minut uh time. We'll start your timer. >> Okay. But this I my two-minut time require uh goes back to the original motion, not this. >> You're on two minutes and it's the second round. >> Dr. Kamaskki, that's a point of order.

you are violating my debate time. Okay. Relating to the motion in question. And I do want to remind you that it you're you're moving to amend this bylaw which is not agendaized. >> Okay. >> It is agendaized under action. >> It is you are you are looking to amend this bylaw. So, I'm going to call a point of order and ask you to rule that

my debate time go back to 2 minutes on the original motion. You've exhausted your time on the original. >> Okay. So, you are violating board policy 9323.7. Um, so I am going to make that uh make that point and Len, can you please make sure that that goes into the record? Um so on the original motion which I will

go back to um I want to talk about um majority consent under the rules of order. So that moving forward when you ask for majority consensus which does not exist under the rules of order. Um I will call point of order. Um there is consensus in the rules of order but consensus app uh implies unan unanimity. That means consensus is asked for on low

stakes items and routine items. Uh the rules of order the rules of order are based on a foundation of voting, not consensus. So I'm bringing this to your attention not because I want us to learn together so that these meetings can run well. Okay? And I and I'm it's disturbing that you're so resistant to to this and I

understand that you have final authority but let's look at what the rules the purpose of the rules so that we can learn together and move on so that we can have an efficient meeting here. That's all. Thank you. >> So this is under action. Um we have a motion a second. We can adopt this now or have it as a first read, but it is

properly agendaized under action and it will supervene over the rest of the meeting. And no, Mr. Schwarz, I said nor would I expect you to or any other board member because it's ridiculous and we don't follow every single rule in here. Then um just to clean it up, I would like to >> I'm sorry. I was waiting to be

recognized. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> Which is what you said. Please rise if you want to be >> recognized. >> No, don't don't twist my words. I said nor would I expect you to. >> You said >> I said nor would I expect you to. >> Don't mock me, Mr. Schwarz. If you want to talk, just click your mic and all on

you. Mr. Schwarz. He's trying to the bylaw. >> Okay. Um I just want to read what is uh you wrote. Um these guidelines are applied at the discretion of the board president. Okay. To me that means you could do whatever you want and I don't agree with that. This needs to be sent to CSBA for vetting for them to look at

it. And as far as um changing the rules, either we have the rules. I'm sorry, this is for all of you out there. You have rules in your home that your kids follow. Either they follow them or there are consequences. The in board meetings, there are rules to follow. If you don't follow them, there could be consequences. So, either

we're going to follow them or we're not going to follow them. We're not leaving it to anyone's discretion to decide. Well, we're not going to follow this rule or we might. I'm sorry, you can't do that. >> I'd like to amend Thank you, Mr. Schwarz. I'd like to amend the motion. >> Second >> to bring it back next meeting.

>> Yes. >> And we already have a second. So, >> call. >> We can have Len call roll. We can just bring this back for a second read. But this is what's which one are we voting on? I amended the motion. So, basically, right here in the blue language, we can bring this back next board meeting. Uh,

Mr. Schwarz, I'm not giving you the floor yet. I'm trying to answer a question. We don't want to speak over each other. >> Okay. Help me out here. Okay. So, >> we're not we're not voting on this. >> I just made it I just made it clear that I >> was just asking the question. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Are we going to vote on

>> the original motion to reaffirm our commitment to follow the rules? There was no motion made. >> So this is what's an action item. >> So we already have a motion and a second to bring this back with this language. So we can vote on that. If that fails, we can back we can bring back another motion to vote in this original item.

But we already have a motion and a second on the table >> for Okay. For excuse me, I want to talk to the president. >> We have a motion and a second for what? Dr. This exact item that you're holding in your hand with the blue language is the amendment. That's right. >> Okay. Okay. >> If this fails, then we can do another

motion in a second. But right now, we have a motion to second on the phone. >> Okay. Let's vote on that. >> Yes. >> I agree. >> To bring back for a second read. >> Oh, that's just to bring back for a second. >> For a second read. >> Okay, I got you. All right. Very good. >> Len, would you mind calling ro?

>> It's okay. >> Wema? >> Yes. >> Anderson? >> Barham? No >> Schwarz. >> No >> Kamaroski. >> Yes. Motion adopted. 32. We'll bring this back for a second read. >> Moving on to consent calendar. >> Excuse me. Are we okay? So I we have an action item on the floor. Okay. That we present it. So can I make the motion,

okay, that we reaffirm our commitment and and we can vote it up or vote it down, but we it's an action item. >> It's a redundancy. We've already done this last meeting. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Make the motion. Make the motion. >> Just make the motion. >> Did we not edit the motion though? I thought that's where we went.

>> We We did. >> Actually, actually point of uh Yeah, >> let's just vote on it. Dr. Kamar, >> this is a point of order. We have already adopted this last meeting. This is a redundancy. This is a new motion now. And the new motion is carried with the board majority for the next meeting. There is no reason to read this. It's

already adopted. I'm not Yeah, I'm not asking to for it to be readdopted. I'm asking for just a recommmitment. That's what I'm asking for to the rules of order. That's all I'm asking for. >> You can go back to the last uh meeting and and romanticize about the votes and then the the action the board already took when we already committed. So, no,

it's >> Dr. Kamasi. Come on. >> There is no come on. I I don't Yeah. Anyways, >> we're going to move on to the consent calendar. >> Sure. >> Consent calendar. All matters listed on the consent calendar considered routine and will be enacted by one vote. There is no discussion of consent calendar items unless members of the governing

board or staff request that our specific items be removed for the consent calendar for separate action. We at the beginning of the agenda nobody said they wanted to pull anything at this time. Does anybody want to pull an item for discussion separately? >> No. >> Okay. I do have a public com uh one. Okay. So, we will call up um uh one

second, Len. What item is it on? >> Number three. >> We can we can um do a sweeping vote items one. Let's do that. Let's I call for a motion, a second to vote on items 1 through two and four through 25. Do I have a motion in a second? >> Move. >> Second. >> Oh, sorry. >> God. No, we moved it before I got

interrupted simultaneously. We have um we have a request >> poll number five really quick. It'll be really quick. Phil trips. >> Let's amend that motion. I motion to approve items 1 through two. Number four, 6 through 25. Do I have a motion in a second? >> Moved. >> Moved by Mr. Schwarz. >> Second. >> Second by Dr. Anderson. Len, would you

mind calling a roll? Wema >> yes >> Anderson >> yes Barham >> Schwarz >> Kamroski >> yes motion adopted 5-0 now we will hear the public comment on item three then we'll deal with three and five separately >> good evening everybody I am going to be commenting on the warrant list there is an expense of $15,000 for AALR and

$3,000 for Advocates of Faith and Freedom. Despite being told that these were pro bono, the second one was a pro bono firm and that the $50,000 that we previously paid them would be the end of the financial bleed. So I've been coming over here and calling out the legal expenses again and again and this is going to again result

whatever happened right now is again going to result in legal expenses. Looking at this estimated uh additional cost of approximately 18,000, we have to ask, what immediate tangible student needs could we address instead? When money is tight, you fix what is right in front of you. A student recently raised concern about the lack of privacy at uh

for the urinals at Chapprell High. And privacy screens cost between 70 and $500 each. Even using the highest estimate of 18,000 which could approximately fund 36 screens and at the lower end we could provide more than 180 screens an immediate practical improvement for students. I don't have the exact number of screens needed but uh Mrs. Vna said

that she would be looking into the matter and I am sure she has followed up and she has the exact number for us and this is like you know an example of a practical student centered spending. We need to stop diverting f funds meant for students towards unnecessary legal expenses and start prioritizing visible real improvements on our campuses. Thank

you. [cheering] >> Any discussion on item three? >> Yes. >> Okay. Mr. Schwarz, I >> I would like to um get an accounting of what the expenses were for. I agree with what uh Upnit said about um items that have nothing to do with students success with improving reading or math or science or helping kids be safe like the

restrooms. So I would like to know exactly how that money was used and how it was spent before we pay the bill. And I will vote no on this item in the warrant list. Uh, Mr. Schwarz, those documents are actually in Mrs. Anna Sebar's office for anyone to come in and meet. We cannot email them, but you're welcome to come

in at any time and take a look. >> Thank you, Dr. I will come in and look at them. >> Mr. Any other uh comments? Okay, then I'll take Oh, Mr. Barham and then I'll uh Mrs. Worma, I'll recognize you after Mr. Barham, unless you were first. So, I wasn't sure if somebody was going to speak to this

throughout the meeting, but we did hear the students about the partitions, the issue at Chapperel High School. I'm glad they came forward and talked about it in terms of safety and privacy. It has taken a couple of weeks, but I'm proud to say that we have moved forward accomplishing things and have to Yeah, what does this have to do?

>> Thank you. >> But the warrant, >> is there a charge on there specifically related to the urinal? Well, that was part of the discussion. So, I was trying to figure out which way to handle it and the best way to do it. >> Excuse me. >> If this isn't right at this point, I'm fine. >> Yeah, I don't think it's on there

specifically and and if it is, Len can pull it up, but we'll we'll discuss that later. >> It'll come in the future then. Stay tuned. >> Okay, Mr. Barm. >> Yes. Um, I don't know what month the $15,000 applies to. Um, I think that's still under Dr. Anderson's reign. Um, so I need to look at that bill before I

approve it. Um, and then the $3,000 for Advocates for Faith and Freedom. I'm assuming I don't know, but Mrs. Lash, have you seen those invoices? No. Okay. I mean, I'm assuming they're probably for filing fees um relating to the uh stipulated judgments trying to settle the the critical race theory in the parental notification case. Maym versus Kamaroski. But I also was under

the impression that what we negotiated in close session which is out there we paid at 50,000 was was final that we paid them. It's final. And yet are they still billing us in relation to Yeah, we're going to find out. But at this point I'm going to vote no >> until I see those invoices. >> Dr. Anderson.

Um, just a reminder that the board did vote unanimously to settle the uh existing work that they had done, Advocates of Faith and Freedom had done at $50,000 and then five members voted that they would be paid hourly going forward. And so, um, if you want to go, we'll have to go back and and remind them that they already voted to approve

that. >> Miss Wisma, we just got updated. they are on this um >> warrant list. You can speak to it. We can adjust your time. We were trying to figure out where is where is it at so that it can be pulled up. So >> great. Well, the thing that I just want to emphasize is this is good news. We

did hear um students talk about this and I was so impressed. I want to give a shout out to Dr. VeZ and the staff for taking care of this. They were on it immediately. So students, I do want you to understand that we care about what you want to speak to, what your needs are, and we evaluate things accordingly.

It can be very complicated, but we appreciate it when you're here. So, just know we've read through the information and we're happy to say that has been remedied. Thank you, Miss Wisma. Okay. Do I have a motion, a second to adopt this uh number three on the consent calendar, the warrant report? I move >> moved by Dr. Anderson. Do I have a

second? >> I will second. >> Second by Miss Worsma. Len, would you mind calling role? >> Worsma. >> Yes. Anderson. >> Yes. Borham. >> Do you want to approve the warrant list? >> Yes. >> Wait a minute. The motion in the second is to approve the warrant list. >> That's right. >> Um, no. >> No. >> Short. Okay. Kamaroski.

>> Okay. Motion adopted. 32. Thank you. Now we're on to number five that Dr. Anderson pulled. Schoolfield trips. Dr. >> Excuse me. I'm sorry. We just voted it in. So why do we have to talk about it? We already >> we on number five field trip. We just voted in number three warrant report. >> We are on number five now.

>> I thought I'm sorry. I thought I heard you say we were voting on the whole warrant list. >> We just did. >> The whole warrant list is item number three under consent calendar. Warrant report number three. We just approved it. >> I thought we were talking about the item that was pulled number three. >> No, I made it clear that.

>> Gotcha. Thank you. Okay, we're on number five now. Uh Dr. Anderson pulled this school field trips. >> All right. I just was looking at the school field trips and I saw all these great trips and wanted to highlight them. I saw the SeaWorld sleepover and I just was on a field trip myself um to Knottberry Farm and I heard the students

when they highlighted that they did a Knottberry Farm field trip and I thought this would be a good time to introduce um because there was some questions from the public. So, my sons have attended um public school. They went to Great Oak to um Gardener and to Helen Hunt Jackson. Um currently I have a junior in high

school and his friends are actually at all three schools, Chaparel, TV, and Great Oak. Most of them are at Great Oak, but I have known many kids in this community since they were in preschool or younger. Uh just recently I was with a group of Chapperel High School junior boys and their moms. We all took those boys on um uh to Halloween horror nights

for like a mother's son date. So I actually with field trips I I the reason I'm supporting them is because I have a son that is the same age and actually knows some of the people that these guys know um in Chapperel. So there is overlap. I know a lot of the parents at Chapperel, I had a group of TVHS

students talking about their field trips at my house just Saturday night. Um, and we've hosted a lot of events like field trips. Um, we have hosted the ASB clubs at different schools on my pickle ball courts. So, to answer your question, >> will you stop the clock, Len? Uh, audience, please be respectful. There's chatter out there. Thank you. It was

asked and I want people to know to answer the question, do I have a student? I have a student that used to go to your schools who still interacts and competes with your schools but does not go to these schools right now. I have had students that went to all of the schools and I do know some of your

peers very well and many of the parents um because we've been here so long. So, I could probably make a list of about 200 kids just from being in the community this long. Um, and that is the only comment and I thought it was a good time to answer the questions of what my involvement is with the junior boys of

TV. >> Thank you. Anybody else? >> Okay, then I'll take a motion and a second to approve school field trips number five on consent calendar. Do I have a motion and a second? >> Moved. >> Moved by Mr. Schwarz, seconded by Mrs. Wearsma. Len, would you mind calling roersma? >> Yes. Anderson? >> Yes. Burham? Yes. >> Schwartz.

>> Yes. Anything for the kids? >> Kamaroski. >> Yes. Motion adopted 5-0. Okay. Now we are moving on to action items under uh P and number one. We are at adoption of resolution number 202526/21 approving the petition for the renewal of the charter of Tmacula Valley Charter School. And we have two public comments. We can call those up at this time.

First up is Rick Reese, followed by Felicia Brown. >> Good evening, board. Uh, I I I support you voting to approve the charter, but I would also suggest that uh it' be it would be great to if if this uh board could occasionally invite perhaps a superintendent from TV Charter School to just come and speak and let us

know what's going on. I'd love to hear what's going on at the charter school. seems like uh uh it's I know I know a lot of people maybe in the audience here they talk about inclusivity and stuff. Maybe we should include the charter school every once in a while. Anyways, please vote to approve this. Thank you. >> Good evening board. My name is Felicia

Brown. I'm a concerned taxpaying mother. My daughter goes to Tmacula Valley Charter School. She's in the fourth grade. And the first thing I wanted to share is that she absolutely loves it. And I want to give kudos and flowers where flowers are due. She comes home and she loves her teachers, some of the staff members. She can't stop going on

and on about her friends and the activities. So, I wanted to start there to just let you know that um I certainly am standing up here recognizing some of the most wonderful things I've seen in a school, but also to stand here and say that I do have some concerns. As the only one of the only um parents

that consistently attends Tmacula Valley Charter School Board meetings, um there are a couple of things that I'd like to raise here, particularly in relation specifically to the charter. Um the first one is, you know, unfortunately I have to be vocal about watching a number of grievances consistently, uh ranging from denying families who need special accommodations, uh those, uh for certain

plans or whatever the case may be, all the way to, um not being able to properly follow um Brown Act rules for board meetings. In fact, the meeting yesterday unfortunately failed to post the agenda or the previous month's minutes so that I could review that as a parent. I'm concerned with that. I showed up for one meeting one day. It

had been changed the day and time without any posting or notification. And certainly while again I want to give co kudos, I have to say as a parent I'm concerned. Uh can you imagine if you here at Tmacula Valley Unified School District board ran your meetings in that way? Can you imagine what may happen? And you know, unfortunately, Tmacula

Valley Unified School District and Tmacula Valley Charter School sound awfully alike. They sound very similar, and I'm concerned, particularly considering some of the limelight that this wonderful board has received in past years. So, I wanted to make sure to be a parent that came up here and voiced some of these concerns. I can go on and on. Uh we had an uncomfortable

conversation yesterday, the board did at T uh TVCS about uh a lack of a board treasurer and unfortunately the signing authority going to the superintendent alone for the sake of convenience uh or the sake of speed. All of these things I bring up not to say that the charter should not be renewed, but rather I'd like to encourage the board to just take

a moment and take a deeper look. Let's just not move too quickly, especially considering that we have a a brand new facility coming for TVCS. A lot is going on. I'd like to encourage the board to just consider that in the vote and just maybe we have a couple of months. Um Tmacula Valley Charter School is a

diamond in the rough. Um let's make TVCS shiny again and work together to make sure everything is in line the way it should be. I appreciate you. My name is Felicia Brown. I'm a concerned parent. I approve this message. >> [applause] >> Thank you. Any board discussion on this? >> Yes, >> Mr. Fork. >> Uh, I raised the issue at the last board

meeting when I looked at the uh item on the agenda and it said there were I I don't want to use the wrong word. I don't know if it was deficiencies or issues or things things that needed to be corrected uh in the application. I want to thank Mrs. Deis for sending me a whole uh expose on what what was what

went through and how things were corrected. However, um I want to state my position for the record. This is not a reflection on the students, families or staff of the charter school and I respect the work being done there. However, based on my experience as an educator with charter schools and my role as a trustee responsible for this district, I

continue to have concerns about charter schools as a policy, particularly regarding accountability, fiscal impact, and the long-term effect on our public schools. For those reasons, while I respect differing viewpoints on this board, I will not be supporting this reauthorization. Mr. Barham, your mic lit up. You want to go ahead. >> Any other comments, Miss Worman? >> So, a couple of things. I think it's

always good to step back and realize we all have work to do, things that we could do better. I know that with Tmacula Valley Charter, I believe they've been around for 30 years and I've had the great honor of working with um charity and I appreciate the parent who came up and shared from the heart and I would encourage you to take that

passion and the investment that you have there with your student and go make some good change because it really does take the community. It takes the administration. It takes all of us working together to get better and I have no problem renewing the charter. I think Lisa Brown covered some of the very important aspects. There is a

movement at times of negativity towards charter schools. Uh I've got a great experience with them, but there's always things that you could do better and I trust that the leadership in the room is hearing this and we'll prioritize doing some things differently if they're needed. So with that, I just want to say congratulations to the school. The fact

that you're building, I've been there. I've heard from the students. I see what you do. I honor your work and I know you'll continue to only get better. >> Thank you, Miss Worman. Any other discussion? And I call for Dr. Anderson. >> Um I just want to find a way to support the speaker. Um so I'm going to let the

board decide, but I want to propose maybe voting on this at the next meeting and just We could possibly write a letter of concern to them. >> Point of order. I mean, discuss this in future agenda items. >> Um, >> Mr. Please don't interrupt her. Let her let her let her talk. >> Okay. Either way, but I do want the

parent to know that I do want to I want to find a way to support and I am going to be on the board for a few years. So, if you want to send an email, then um I would consider that. And I I not that a strongly worded letter is going to do much, but I'd like to throw my support

behind you. So, I think we should just move forward with the vote tonight. >> Thank you. I'm gonna have uh Dr. Vez want to make a point unless unless it's already answered. >> I So, to our entire board, I'll clarify. Um I think there's there's similities that centers around um charter school boards and school boards and the

differentiation between the two. So, I'll clarify that with all of you moving forward. >> Okay. Okay. Do I have a motion and a second to approve the adoption of the resolution number 202526/21 approving the petition for the renewal of the charter of the Tmacula Valley Charter School? >> Moved. >> Moved by Dr. Anderson, seconded by Mrs. Whisma. Len, would you mind calling

roma? >> Yes. >> Anderson, >> yes. Barham, >> yes. >> Schwarz, >> no. >> Kamaroski, >> yes. Motion adopted. Four to one. Thank you. Dr. BZ wants to make a comment. >> I just I just would like to thank Lisa Brown for her work on this and also um Dr. Plaxton Hennings um the superintendent at Tmacula Valley Charter

who is a great partner who has partnered with us through the entire process. So thank you. >> Thank you Dr. Okay, I'm going to propose see what the board thinks items two through five and an omnibus motion. If there's no discussion, I will read off all four items and we can do an omnibus vote. There's there's one public comment, so

we can go. But is there any board discussion? Because if not, we can take the board comment and I'll do an omnibus motion. >> All right. No board com. >> So I I do I have questions for um P4. So I would rather not have that in the omnibus motion. >> I can do a motion omnibus motion two,

three, and five. But what's the board comment on, >> Len? Number two. >> Number two. Okay. So, we'll we'll come back to that. Let's let the public comment go first. So, number two. >> Okay. Jennifer Catalano. Good evening. I'm Jennifer Catalano. Um, I'm here tonight to support the Home Instead, uh, Innovation Academy, and I respectfully ask you to reconsider the

decision to close the school. Uh, this program serves students from a wide range of backgrounds, students who do not always thrive in a traditional educational setting. Some struggle with social interactions or making friends. Others face anxiety, medical challenges, and some students simply learn better in a quieter, more individualized environment. Whatever the reason, these students are able to perform, grow, and

succeed through the Home Instead Academy. At its core, this is about putting students first and ensuring the well-being. We are here for the students success and removing this program is detrimental to the very students who depend on it. At home, instead, students receive indiv individualized instruction, consistent support, and strong meaningful connections with their teachers. Students who once felt

overwhelmed, anxious, or discouraged are now finding confidence and success. When we talk about equity and student achievement, we must recognize that not one sizefits all. Equity means giving all students a real opportunity to succeed, even when the path looks different. Closing this program removes an essential option for students who do not learn best in a traditional setting.

Programs like Home Instead also keep families in our district. When these options disappear, families are forced to look elsewhere to meet their child's unique needs, resulting in loss of enrollment and loss of funding for our district. I would also like to address the impact of a school closure on employee displacement. When a school is closed, displaced teachers must be

placed in other buildings. As a result, less experienced teachers are often displaced from their current position and subsequently laid off through the riff process. In this situation, we have about 20 teachers and staff who would re who would receive a reduction in force notices. These numbers represent educators, classrooms, and students who will be directly affected. Thank you.

So now I will I will only include in the omnibus motion number two and three since Mrs. Worsma has a comment on four. So I call for a motion and a second to approve re uh item number two resolution number 202526/22 reduction of particular kinds of services PKS certifi certification and number three resolution number 202526/25 resolution to establish criteria for

resolving seniority ties in a certificated layoff. Do I have a motion and a second? >> Moved. Moved by Dr. Anderson >> just 23. >> No, it's 2, three. These are items two and three. >> All right, I'll second it. >> Len, would you mind calling roll? >> I have just a comment >> first. >> I was asking if you had comments before

I did the omnibus. >> Okay, >> number two. >> I was trying to do an omnibus motion. I know it's been a while since we've done that. So, I'm sorry. I just Okay. Wanted to make a brief comment here before we >> Let's amend the motion. I call for a motion, a second for item two, and then

I'll have you speak. Just item two, resolution number 202526/22, reduction of particular kinds of services, PKS certification. Certification item number two. Do I have a motion in a second? >> This is just for item two now. Moved by Dr. Anderson. I'll second it. We can open it up for postmotion discussion. Mrs. Worman, >> first of all, I just wanted to thank

Mrs. Catalano for coming forward and speaking. And I want to let you know in very simplistic terms. There's a lot of questions that the board has asked behind the scenes. I know people at home instead I have really valued what they brought to the table and our students who have uh different methods of learning that are right for them. And I

just want to say that we've talked through all these particulars. I've asked the questions. Dr. Boles will tell you about the emails. And what I've been impressed with is her troubleshooting and giving me the answers and talking about how they're trying to solve the problems by speaking with families and the sites and trying to get to the best

possible solution because quite frankly, we're entering an era where there's going to be budget cuts. Things may change. It's always tough. And just know that we struggle because we want every student to have exactly what they need to succeed. But I just wanted to emphasize know that we are here for you students. We're here for you families

and we're trying to make sure you still have options and the staff up here feels much the same. >> Any other discussion? All right. Len, would you mind calling role? This is only for action item two. >> Yes. Anderson, yes. Barham, >> yes. Schwarz. >> Yes. >> Kamroski. >> Yes. Motion adopted 5-0. Item number three, resolution number I call for a

motion, a second to adopt resolution number 202526/25. Resolution to establish criteria for resolving seniority ties in a certificated layoff. Do I have a motion in a second? Uh moved by Mr. Schwarz. >> Second. >> Second by Dr. Anderson. >> Len, would you mind calling RO? >> Wema. >> Yes. >> Anderson. >> Yes. Barham, >> yes. >> Schwarz,

>> Kamaroski, >> yes. Motion adopted 50-0. Now we're on to item four, resolution number 202526/23, authorizing the charge ready transport program participation agreement with Southern California Edison. And I know Mrs. Worman, you had a comment. >> I do. I have a comment and just a couple of questions. This is a new area for me and as I read the contract, I had some

questions. So, I don't know who the best person would be to speak to this just for parents and staff and for people here looking at electric buses and the cost and what we're being given. I guess I'd want to focus in on what's what's the worst case scenario if you're looking at six buses 10 years in terms

of liability or the clawback amount futurep proofing it if technology gets better and we're left with older items. I just thought if somebody could encapsulate some of these things and summarize why we feel like this is a great idea, um I think it would help the public. >> Thank you, Mrs. Weman. I think I'm going to refer to Mrs. Lash for that. She is

the expert in this area. >> You're kind calling me an expert in this area. >> Excuse me, Mrs. Lash. Uh there's a little talking out in the audience. It's hard to hear. Excuse me, >> sir. Yeah, we can't hear. Thank you. So, uh, first I'd like to thank you, Mrs. Wearsma, for just bringing up this item because I'm really proud of the

work that our transportation department has done. Back in, uh, consent item number 021, you approved the award of the zero emission school bus and infrastructure program, which granted us $2.4 million in grant funding that we don't have to pay for. So, we are getting a $450,000 bus and our contribution is $70,000 and we're receiving five of them. We

already have two electric buses. Also, as part of the uh grant that it's shortened to be, we call it Zespie. Part of that ZESBY grant was uh infrastructure. And so, you've already approved the grant award amount back in consent. What this is doing is this is us hiring SoCal Edison to um design procure and install the infrastructure,

so the battery chargers. Um, so that way we can charge those five new buses. But we do have two electric buses already. And, um, a lot of the technology is similar to electric vehicles in that they usually cost more upfront to purchase, but the maintenance cost is lower, right? Because um, they're battery operated. So, it's nice because

our maintenance for them on an annual basis, especially in the first six years, will be minimal. It'll be what my director calls consumables. So, tires, things like that, windshield wipers. Um, so we're really excited at the opportunity to receive these five buses at a really reduced cost. They will never replace regular uh fuel buses because we can only use them around

town, right? They don't they don't hold charges long enough to get us to Disneyland and back or San Diego and back. So, we use these for our around town buses and the two that we have thus far have been working incredibly well. Charging them overnight gets us through the entire next day um easily without any concerns. Um

the technology, we didn't jump right away into the electric bus um world. We kind of sat back and waited. some of our neighboring districts like Marietta and even Marino Valley were really uh quick to purchase them and we kind of waited to see what their successes were with them and how they um liked them and they've had really good success so we're

excited to add more to our fleet. >> Great. Thank you. I appreciate all your insight. >> Thank you, Miss Lash. Okay. Do we have a motion? A second to adopt item number four resolution. Yeah. Moved by Dr. Anderson. >> Second. >> Second by Mr. Schwarz. Len, would you mind calling roesman? >> Yes. >> Anderson? >> Barham? >> Schwarz?

>> Kamaroski? >> Yes. Motion adopted. 50-0. Thank you, Len. Uh, we're on to action item number five. Certific certification of signatures update. >> Do we have any discussion on this? I didn't think we did. >> Uh, do I have a motion? Uh, will you give me a second, Mr. Schwarz? Second, Rita. >> A motion and a second to adopt

certification of signatures update. Moved by Mr. Schwarz. >> Second. >> Second by Dr. Anderson. Len, would you mind calling roersma? >> Yes. >> Anderson, >> yes. Barham, >> yes. >> Schwarz, >> Kamaskki, >> yes. Motion adopted. 50-0. Thank you, Len. Item number six, CSBA Coast to Coast 2026 Federal Advocacy Trip. Do we have a motion, a second to adopt this?

No. We have three comments. We'll hear those first >> up. Sorry. First up is upate followed by Jennifer San Nicholas. So, I've already expressed my concern about uh irresponsible use of taxpayer funds on board travel that yields little to no tangible benefit to our community beyond selfies and social media post. So, this issue has come up repeatedly

and no meaningful outcomes have been presented. So, I won't belabor that point further. Um, and I did look it up. I usually do not examine whatever has been uh is in maintenance and ongoing facilities. 12,5700 for the partitions and thank you to the district staff for solving this immediate problem with a tangible benefit to the students which reduces

weight times and helps prevent tardies and at least three trustees have previously committed on the record to responsible use of taxpayer funds and I hope those comm uh commitments will continue to guide your votes u on this agenda item and I want to remind the board that less than 3% of the district's budget comes from federal funding

which the Congress is already legally required to provide. With elections coming up, both congressional and board representation may change in November. Spending significant money on advocacy travel for individuals who may not be in the position to help in the next congressional session seems contrary to common sense. If you decide to [snorts] continue spending taxpayer funds on this

excursion, I have a suggestion. Uh when local specialed ed parents and teachers planned a visit to represented uh representative Isa last year, I had created a t-shirt uh for uh making the advocacy. Unfortunately, he was either not able to or did not want to meet with the parents. My suggestion to you is that if you decide to go, go with preparation

and clarity, knowing the issue, the law, and the purpose before showing up. If you're traveling that far to advocate on taxpayer funds, please do the uh please do similar due diligence, know the legislation, know the funding gaps, and be prepared to articulate exactly what you're asking for and why it matters to students and families back home. Uh Dr.

Anderson uh just mentioned field trips. I am paying for a field trip for my daughter to go visit Representative uh Isa $3,300. I would rather spending money on board travel that money be used for students whether it is scholarships, sports, coaches, whatever it is. I am here to say that please do not be spending money on privileged travel and we just talked

about budget cuts and be spending this money for teachers and students. Thank you. [applause] Thank you. Next up is Jennifer San Nicholas, followed by Lindsay. >> I think uh covered all the reasons why you shouldn't go. You know, go don't go. It's going to be your decision and what we say probably won't matter, but I know we had two representatives go last year

and we never got a readout of what happened on that trip. Um we saw some Instagram stories. We know you were there, but we don't know what you did, who you saw besides a teacher who'd been out on medical leave for months, but could make it to DC. So, if you go, we want to we deserve as

taxpayers, as stakeholders, we deserve a readout of what you do on these trips because you're representing us and you're using our money. [applause] should I wait for Dr. Kamroski? I'd like for him to I'd like for him to hear my comment. >> I mean, >> no, I'm the board clerk. You can keep going because sometimes people leave and

we just keep going. >> I don't think it works that way. >> It does work that way. >> I'd like to wait. Um, >> I made a lot of accom I made a lot of accommodations to be here tonight and I'd really like for all five of you to hear my comment. >> So, we don't usually normally do that

when like Mr. Schwarz leaves or Mr. Barham or myself. >> It's the president of the person speaking. They could pause. >> So, I'm going to go ahead and say ready, go, start her. And I'm going to object uh to that because the young lady said she made accommodations to address the whole board. Excuse me. If I have to go to the

bathroom, I'm not going to ask your permission. I tell Len I am leaving to go to the restroom and coming right back. If she wants to wait, I don't see any problem in her waiting a minute for him to come back. >> We can just [applause] start [cheering] clapping for you. >> Dr. Dr. Kamroski, may I please reclaim

my time to say my board comment now that you're back. So, can somebody answer me cuz the time's going. I was waiting for you to get back, sir. >> I think reclaim it. Yeah, I have no idea what happened. I was using the bathroom. We can reclaim time other discussed. So, I'm here to speak against sending any trustee to CSBA's coast to coast

conference for several important reasons. First, this district remains out of compliance with multiple education code sections and board policies. Until the board demonstrates it can meet its core governance and compliance responsibilities, allocating district funds for trustee travel is not an appropriate priority. >> Point of order. I cannot hear her because I am distracted by you two. Can

I please just finish? District compliance, oversight, and student service must come first. Second, this board is currently restructuring its subcommittee system because existing structures have failed to produce timely or effective results. Sending trustees to a national conference before this reorganization is complete and operational undermines the purpose of that effort and delays work that needs to happen locally. How can we even know

what we need when you guys can't even get committees together to find out? Third, the district is facing a budget crisis during a period of financial instability. Discretionary spending such as out ofstate travel, lodging, and conference registration should be paused. CSBA offers online resources, virtual trainings, and webinars that allow trustees to receive information and participate in advocacy without

incurring travel costs, making in-person attendance unnecessary at this time. Fourth, there has been no demonstrated return on our investment from prior coast to coast trips. The public has not received a postconference report, advocacy update, or measurable outcomes from the last trip. There is no evidence that prior attendance resulted in additional funding, policy wins, or direct benefit to this district.

Outcomes that should be clearly documented if public funds are used. Fifth, public perception matters. A local constituent with a highly politicized social media presence publicly referred last month to this field to this trip as an as a field trip. and I quote, "Regardless of that intent, that perception now exists and it further erodess public trust at a

time when this board is asking the community for restraint and confidence. Unless a trustee presents a clear written action plan detailing one, who they will meet with, two, what legislative or funding priorities they will advocate for, and three, how that work cannot reasonably be accomplished through virtual participation. I personally do not support sending any trustee to this conference. For these

reasons, I urge the board to deny this travel request until compliance issues are resolved. The subcommittee reorganization is complete, the district is on stable financial footing, and trustees can demonstrate a measurable return on their investment. Thank you. [applause and cheering] >> Thank you. Is there another speaker, the mayor, or is that it? [applause] Okay, this may or may not save time. I'm I'm

not wanting to go and I I'm pretty sure we said that last time, but it got pushed to this meeting, but I have no comments either. So, any other board comments? >> I have no comment except to take responsibility for not allowing other board members to re to um report out. Um it was just as the board president, I

was always had other there was so much more I felt that needed to be addressed. So, that that one's on me. >> I'm I'm not going to go either. >> Make it Dr. Anderson, any comments? >> Mr. Baram, >> if people wanted to go, I would absolutely say nobody should go. We're in a budget crisis. Um, and

we've been or certain board members have been over the years and have brought back absolutely nothing. So, I agree with the speakers, no tangible return on investment. Um, and there's no reason for anybody to go because there's no success in in the advocacy effort at all. So that's my two cents and anybody who wants to go, I'm voting no. We need

to save money and uh we need to be fiscally conservative at this time. [applause] Miss >> So I have a couple of things to share and I hear you about the budget and saving. I've been twice. I'm thankful that I've had the opportunity and I don't feel the need to go this year, but I do want to share something with you.

Point of order. >> Don't want to lose my time here because I do have something to share. First of all, CSBA does offer this professional development and training. We have participated in advocacy and met with trustees from all over the state. But I wanted to let you know what actually did go through this year. So, here's what I

want to say. President Donald Trump validated a sustained and ultimately successful CSBA advocacy effort in support of the nation's rural schools and communities when he signed S356, the Secure Rural Schools Reauthorization Act on December 18th, 2025. The secure rural schools provides payments to counties and public schools on federal forest land, sustaining services and school programs and preventing the closure of numerous

isolated rural schools around the country. Nationally, more than 4,400 rural schools across 41 states receive these funds. The bill will provide about 250 million a year for school and infrastructure initiatives in more than 700 rural counties with wide swaths of federal land including forests, national parks, and other taxexempt properties. CSBA thanks all the members, that's Dr. Kamroski and I who responded to action

alerts, which we did, advocated in DC, contacted their representatives, which we did, or otherwise exerted influence in support of the Secure Rural Schools Act. And so, I am proud to say it wasn't that nothing was accomplished. We made great contacts, had professional development, advocated just as CSBA asked us to, and were successful in doing so. But I'm good to stay home this

year. >> Call the question, Dr. Kamaraskki second. >> You know, you know, you guys literally Mr. Schwarz, do you have a comment? I was going to >> Yes, I do have a comment. Um, >> thank you. >> I I don't want to You could see it on my shirt. I don't want to waste any more money. If you want to meet with

Congressman Isa, call his office and see if he'll arrange a meeting with you in Escanido. I've tried about 50 times and never gotten a response. what makes you think he's going to want to meet with me in uh Washington? Second of all, if you want to speak to Senator Schiff or Senator Padilla, they are more than happy for you to call and to discuss

your education issues with you. So, I would vote uh I'm totally against going. I was just at CSBA legislative. They urged us to go if we could, but because of the financial crunch, I say no. Thank you. >> Thank you. That was the first round of comments. Do we have any second round of comments before I ask for a motion in a

second? No. Okay. I call for a motion, a second to discuss sending board representation to attend the uh CSVA Coast to Coast 2026 federal advocacy conference. I have a motion, a second. >> Did we do it already? No, no, >> Dr. Anderson. Thank you. >> Sorry, Dr. If there's if there's no motion and second, this just dies. Is

there a motion or a second? >> Good. Motion dies. We're moving on. >> Um, action item seven, splitting general public com. If that answers your question, Mr. Barham. >> No, I'm good. >> Yeah, thank you. Uh, you're welcome. Um, item seven, splitting general public comments into two sections in each board meeting. I believe Mrs. We're going to

agendaize this. >> Oh, excuse me. >> Sorry. Sorry. So that Mr. Barham and Mr. Schwarz, which one? >> Oh, we have a public comment. Okay, we'll have that first. >> Okay, first up is >> So, I understand we've spent a lot of time discussing public comments and somebody had a valid reason moving them to the end. as a working person. You

know, Mrs. Versma works 60 hours. I was up till 2:30 last night. My day started at 6:00. I am here. I have attended meetings to give public comments at 8:00 in the morning. I've taken a day off and come when it's important to me when we were hiring the superintendent. It was a very important thing. The person is the

CEO of the entire district. I did come in the morning and uh what I'd like to say is like you know all of you say and especially like I'm you know I have heard your [clears throat] voice. I am hearing your voice. Your board policy actually says active listening. Issues have been brought up. The teachers have been coming up. The first teacher came

up in November. It was pretty heart-wrenching to watch him with his gear asking for help from the board. I have you are on the Facebook group where parents have talked about how the class goes into the chaos because they don't have enough aids. And I have not seen anything agendaized. We put these culture war topics secure act. I don't

know if you've noticed or not, Tmacula is not a rural district. We do not have any schools on federal land and wasting time. Local control means local issues. We have a lot of issues to solve locally. Just like we've been discussing public comments, I timed your thing on Robert's rules. It took 10 minutes 33 seconds on the first item and 11 minutes

and 48 seconds. I might be a little off because I was pausing and running YouTube. You guys spend so much time on like oh public comment should be here there email is always available we can write public comments if somebody's really passionate about something they will be here like it doesn't matter when they are but like we really need to like get

over like you know you're three years in one year for you guys we still are figuring out how to do board meetings the actual issues remain unresolved the person like you know he was here in November their teachers coming up again and again parents are like you know my uh students getting injured the class is getting Classrooms have to be evacuated.

A teacher, Jenny Catalano, she came up and she said, "Classrooms have to be evacuated due to behavioral issues." Like, when are we going to discuss those? If we're just going to be figuring out board meeting format, [cheering] thank you. [applause] Next. Thank you. Next speaker is Jennifer San Nicholas. >> It's hard to follow that. Um, I think

it's a great idea, but I don't necessarily discount a need's take on it either. Um, I know this has been successful at city council meetings. So, I like that Mr. Schwarz and Mr. Barham found this compromise to doing some in the beginning, doing some at the end. That way, people who, you know, are working or have class or whatever can

come at the end or, you know, if they need to come early and speak. Um, and I I think it would be one way to stop some bickering at least on this topic, too. So, I think it's a good idea. >> Okay. Who wants to present? >> I will, Mr. Baram. >> Okay. So, I am so sick of this. I I

>> You have three minutes, Lyn. >> Yeah. I'm sick of talking about this because it comes up at every meeting. Mrs. Wearsma, you can have the credit. I know you want to take it. You can have it. Um I just want to get this done. Um there are some people who want to come early. There are some people who can't

come early and can come at 7 or 7:30 after they put their kids to bed and and feed their kids. So that is the whole point. Let's let's make a compromise. Let's accommodate and put this to bed. I don't want to talk about this ever again. I'm so sick of it. Okay. Um, so that's my or our proposal. Mrs. Wearsma,

you can have the credit. Um, but let's get this done and uh let's move forward and not talk about this anymore. Let's vote on it and get it done. Thank you. >> Mr. Schwarz, you're welcome. Mr. Schwarz, do you want to present? >> All right. Any other board comments? >> I just want to say that >> Oh, sorry.

>> No, you're you're good. I just want to say that I moved public comments to the end. It's kind of liability protection as the um board president, but at this time I won't support splitting it and adding an extra half hour, but I do think that the board president I'll support what as long as it's not extra.

I I think that it's up to you to decide. Um I'll support you on that. And I last I want to point out the public comment 20 minutes on Robert's rules of order that we already adopted at the last meeting and I'm gonna say it. >> Point of order. That's not that's not the action that we're >> discussing. 20 minutes. Um I'm going to

ask for my time. Point of order. He's interrupting. Point of order. He's like >> you're not on top. >> You have to recognize him to pause my >> Mr. Barham. Will you just let her talk? >> Can you stay on point? Thank you. >> Yeah. I am commenting on what the public speaker just said about this. I'm

addressing it. Can you give Can you give me my time back? He won't stop interrupting me. >> Yeah, let let's reset our time. Just please stay on point. Stay on this action item of splitting comments. >> Stay on point. Splitting public comment. There was a public comment just made that said we spent 20 minutes on Robert's rules of order. And I'm going

to just finish by saying students schools financial responsibility. I can make signs for these guys if you guys want me to and pass them out for you at your next protest because >> Dr. Anderson, can you stay on track? We're we're we're >> we're order. >> Do you want us to put it in recess? Yeah. Come on. Let's just have order.

Dr. Anderson, you really have to stay on track with splitting the item on public comments. >> Okay, Dr. Anderson's done. Mrs. So, Dr. Kamroski, with you sitting in the president's seat, I'll be interested to hear your viewpoint. For me, when I originally brought it up, it was thinking about having 20 minutes before business items so that people could get

home, go take care of their face, do whatever they need to do, and then have 20 minutes at the end of the meeting because I know some some of you work late or you take your kids to sports, but we want you to be heard and in a timely, expedient manner. We've we've always talked about how we want to

prioritize the community. Um, one thing that I also mentioned last year was an e-card and that didn't go anywhere, but I know there's a lot of people that have comments that would love to be able to send something that gets written into the record. Uh, the San Diego County supervisors have that. So, they've got comments at the beginning, comments at

the end, and then there's an ability for that person who can't make the meeting or quite frankly isn't in intimidated to come to a meeting can actually be heard and people can read through those comments. So that might be something to explore. I'm I I know Dr. Kroski, you may not want an hour of comments. I get

that. That's why I kind of came at what about 20 minutes and 20 minutes. I'm open, but I don't have to die on that hill. What I would prefer is that people are heard sooner than later in the meeting. So I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. >> Thank you, Miss Wisma. Um I'm old school. I would like public comments

pushed to the beginning of the meeting 30 minutes and we as a board right then and there if we have you know we've done this in the past for a couple years Mr. short, so you're with me. When if we had whatever x amount of comments, we determined the board time, we try to fit it in. Sometimes it was plus or minus

five or whatever so minutes at the 30 mark. I'm up for that and board discretion every time we do it. But if we can get the votes tonight, I'm going to um make the motion to bring public comments in the beginning like they have been and 30 minutes and that's it. No splitting. No 40 minutes. No 20 minutes

here, 20 minutes there. Just 30 minutes in the beginning. >> Uh, okay. >> Excuse me. >> Uh, Mr. Are you voting? Are you moving to amend the motion? >> No. Not I mean, is that what you're doing? >> I I can, but I was going to ask first round of comments. Okay, I'll make a motion right now.

>> Okay. So, >> I I didn't get any debate time. I presented I didn't get my debate time. >> Yeah, no problem. We We'll do the cycle again. This is just discussion. Mr. Barham, this is the uh second round and then you get another round. >> Thank you. >> So, splitting public comments into two sections improves accessibility for

working families. Dr. Kamaroski, not everybody can come at the start of a meeting and a second comment window ensures more people can participate. It creates more equitable participation. Two segments prevent the process from favoring only those with flexible schedules. Early comments could inform the board before discussion. Later comments allow feedback on decisions made. Splitting encourages sustained engagement. Some community members want

to speak after hearing the discussion while others need to speak and leave. Others need to speak early and leave. Splitting into two sections builds trust and transparency. Multiple opportunities to speak signal that the board values broad community input. And that is the most important thing here is that we give all of our community the opportunity to speak. If we just put it

at the beginning, not everybody is going to be able to speak and do a public comment. So, I think we need to do a compromise because there are people out here who have said they can't come at the beginning. It's not fair not to include them. It's just not fair. So, we have some good speakers who have have a

lot to say who won't be able to come at the beginning. So, that it's it's it's not good. We need to accommodate our community as a whole. That that's how I feel. >> Okay. Dr. Thank you, Mr. Barham. Uh Miss uh sorry, Dr. Anderson. Um, this is a policy. I think this should be a first read because we need to amend the policy

and then bring it back. I broke it down so that there was a special section for students so that they could come early and comment before it got too late. Um, I'd be willing if we whatever we do, I think that we would need to melt the student comment into um beginning comments if we're going to split it into

because then that solves the problem of them staying late. Um, but again, I'm going to leave it to It sounds like Dr. Klein Marski wants to move it to the beginning. So, the the student comment was made so they could get home early and not be up past their bedtime. Um, so that's but I do think we

should bring it back for a second read after we all discuss it and decide what we want. >> Thanks, Dr. Anderson. Uh, Miss, we're on the second round for us now and then Mr. Barham and Schwarz have a third round, but do you have a second round of comments? >> So, I think that I would actually agree

with Dr. Anderson. I wouldn't mind taking this as a first read and bringing it back. I'm fine with still prioritizing students speaking first, taking this and looking at the dynamics. Is it 20 and 20 at two minutes? Do we really want to go a half hour and a half hour? I'm not so sure. Can we accommodate the ecard? and then staff,

what is it going to take for you to do that and to kind of delegate cards appropriately? So, I think bringing it back for another read is the best way to go. >> Thank you, Miss Worma, Mr. Barham, Mr. Schwarz. Any comments? Yeah, I am I thought that this uh action item was pretty simple and now we're reading all

kinds of other stuff, but I haven't heard it moved to amend it. Um I think we should just vote on this. This was on the agenda. We put it on uh as as Mr. Barham stated to accommodate our constituents, those who can come early, those who can't come early. So, I would like the board to speak on whether or

not they agree or disagree on this issue. Do you want to accommodate people who can come early and people who can come late or do you want to disenfranchise either those who can't come early or those who can't come late? I don't want to continue to change it around with e-cards and all kinds of other stuff. Here's the question. Let's vote on it.

Mr. Schwarz. Okay. So, I have my second round of comments. I think Dr. Anderson, have you went yet? Do you want it? Did you already do a second? >> All right. Yeah. So, >> get a second. I have a second. Do you have a second, Dr. >> Yeah, I'm I'm on it right now. >> Go ahead. >> So,

I like the comments at the beginning of the meeting, but I said this months ago. Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not break. I might be interested in splitting, but only 15 and 15, and I'm just not sure now. So, I'd be up for bringing this back. I do want them in the beginning. That's where I stand now.

So, if I have to vote, probably going to vote no on this split. Um, it's a tough one. I understand working families. I understand different dynamic schedules. And I'm a reasonable person. And that sounds fair to split 15. I'm not up for 20 or 40 or an hour split. No way. It's it's people that are motivated to comment will come here, but

for right now, I don't think I'm going to be voting on the split. I I'd rather have 30 up in the beginning of the meeting, but I'm up for bringing it back. Dr. Anderson wants to consider a motion. Um, but you guys you guys get the third round. We'll let you guys go first. >> I can't believe we're talking about this

like this after everything we've been Excuse me. Excuse me, Dr. Anderson. Can I have my time back, Dr. Koski, please? Thank you. >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> I can't believe that we are talking about this after everything that we've been through this whole year and how this comes up and now we're saying we want to bring it back. Um, I want to

talk about schools. I want to talk about students. I want to talk about fiscal responsibility. I want to talk about safety. I want to talk about CTE. I want to talk about how to make our AP programs and our IB programs better. Those are the things I want to talk about. I really thought that this would correct it, but it's I I I have no words

here. Okay. Um I want to put this behind us once and for all. This is a good This is a good solution. And I cannot believe that we are going to bring this back. I can't. It's like let's vote on this. Let's split it. Let's bl let's split it for the for the sake of of the community at

large. That's who we represent. All of these people. Let's let's let's vote on this and put it to bed once and for all. That's it. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Barham. And you may just get your votes. Who knows? Mr. Schwarz. >> Okay. >> So, I am so confused. I'm so confused because the people that agendaize this

keep saying they don't want to talk about it, but then it's on the agenda. So, I'm like, if you don't want to talk about it, don't put it on the agenda. It makes no sense to me. I am going to make a motion. I just want to make a motion. >> Okay. I move that two board members work

on this. I think Mrs. Wema should be one because she fought me tooth and nail for a whole year about this and then I think it should be Mr. Schwarz or Mr. Barham come up with something solid that everyone can agree on and bring it back to the next meeting. Do I have a second? >> Do you want

>> So I will second that. That's fine folks. We're back here in two weeks. Gentlemen, it's disingenuous to to roll your eyes over the fact of this matter and taking additional time. You saved this off all last year and fought us as a majority. So, we're going to get to where we need to go. I do want to talk

to staff. I think it's important to talk about the split and the e-card. Two weeks is good. Let's let's wait. Let's bring it back at the end of February and we're going to land where everybody has a chance to talk at a good time. >> Who would you like to work with? Would you work with one of them since they

agenda this day? Either one >> or not. >> Either one. I I think I can work through Dr. Vez. It doesn't have to be a lengthy process. I think she can work with one of each of us. It's fine. >> Do Would one of you There's a motion. >> Dr. Anderson, >> there is a motion right now to have two

of you work outside of the two who agendaize it. I would like, you know, respectfully, maybe this could be fair. One person from one side, one person the other. if you want to work on this. Otherwise, we're going to second that. >> Otherwise, we're going to vote it now down. Just take a vote and down. >> Excuse [snorts] me.

>> All I know is I'm not having three board members work on this. That's what I'm getting at. >> Excuse me, >> Mr. I object to your characterization of one side and one side. We are one. >> I meant on this. >> Excuse me. Can I Can I please finish >> point of order? It doesn't have to do

with the >> Could you please not interrupt me? I have the floor. >> Mr. Mr. Schwarz, just talk. just talk for a second. >> Okay, we are one board. It's not this side and that side. Okay, and Mr. Barham, thank you. This is for you guys. We put this on the agenda for you guys to accommodate our parents, our

students, and our community residents. So, if you don't want to vote for it, you could vote no. If you want to vote for it, vote yes. I'm not working with anyone else but Mr. Barham on this policy. I would work with Dr. Vez. I would work with Mr. Barham. The two of us could work with Dr. Vez. I'm not

working with anyone else. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Schwarz. You've mischaracterized what I mean when I said this. I literally mean two board members and another two board members and on the dividing line. Okay. Okay. Got it. >> Exactly what you meant. >> Why don't we just have a motion and a second on the actual agenda item?

>> Moved. >> Moved by Mr. Schwarz. Second. >> Second by Mr. Barham. >> Len. >> Okay. Just making sure. Would >> you mind calling? >> Wema. >> Did we define how long on each end for for the two split? Was it 20 and 20? Was it 30 and 30? >> It was 30 and 30. So, I'm gonna vote no

to the 30 and 30. >> Okay, good. >> Um, Anderson, >> no. >> Excuse me, guys. Thank you. >> Barham, >> yes. >> Schwarz, >> Kamaroski, >> no. Motion failed. >> 32. >> We can now ask if there's an amended. You know what? Please, please got to conduct business. We can now ask for an amended motion. That motion failed. We

are still in this item. That failed. It was very clear that it was 30 and 30. Is there another alternative motion? I would like to amend it and make a motion to come back in two weeks to talk about a 20 and 20, a possible ecard, have staff input, and make it happen in two weeks. Another discussion.

Um, I know on the 20 I'd be up for 1515, but I Okay, you you that's your motion. Let's see if is there a second. All right. There's no second. All right. So, I think at this point any member of the prevailing party can actually bring this back for the next meeting. There you go. All right. We're moving on.

Eight. Subcommittee reorgation and adoption of the subcommittee process. I think this was Mr. Barham that agendaized this. Possibly Mr. Schwarz. I can't remember offhand right now unless it's Yes, both. Who wants to present? I want to go back to the prior motion just for a second if you don't mind. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> We haven't officially moved on. We can

still have space right there. >> And it's not it's not to embarrass you. Okay. If this is discussion, we have to have a twothirds majority, which we don't have. So, this is no more discussion. >> Okay. But so, I'm going to make a point of order. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, I mean, because the prevailing party, this is this is

the rules of order. Okay. The prevailing party does not apply to the next meeting. The prevailing party encompasses what's called a motion of reconsideration. And that can only take place within the same meeting, doctor. So the prevailing party does not apply to the next meeting. And I'm just pointing that out. It's for educational purposes. Okay? So if somebody wants to bring this back,

it's a renewed motion. I mean, we can bring it back. You can bring it back. I I'm just making a point and and again, it's not to undermine your authority. I'm just I'm trying to go by the rules of order here. So the prevailing party does not matter here. It's only in a motion of reconsideration if we want to

reconsider the vote right now today. >> Point of order. Um you and Mr. Schwarz cannot bring this item back. You are not my members of the prevailing party. Just to be clear. >> Okay. >> And I've heard what you said. All right. Now we're moving on to action item eight. Do you want to present >> or Mr. Schwarz? Which one?

>> Which one is this? This is subcommittee reorganization and adoption of the subcommittee. >> I'd love to. >> There you go. >> Okay. Um so we have some guidelines for how we are going to operate in the subcommittees and that was um that was actually on the agenda. That was actually on the agenda last um last meeting but we didn't adopt them.

So I'm bringing this back so that we can formally adopt the guidelines as to how we are going to organize ourselves um within the subcommittee process. So that's it. So we need to adopt this. One second. Okay. So that's your presentation. Thank you, Mr. Barham. Dr. Anderson, I'll recognize you. Okay. Here we go. You're next. So, I didn't see any

of the changes in red. I will adopt the original board subcommittee that Dr. VeZ and I worked on, but I'm not going to adopt this one because I can't tell what changes were made and they weren't highlighted in red. So, I I did you guys make changes to this? >> No, >> there's no changes. What about something

about twothirds vote? >> Where is that come in? >> I I I will explain. >> Okay. because that was added, right? >> No, it was not added. I And I I'm sorry. I asked that removal of of a person from a subcommittee would be a twothirds vote, but it it never made it on here. So, I have asked for that like

three or four times. It's not in there. It's the as it stands right now, which I really don't like to be honest, but I don't want to come back and redo this. Um, again, I will go with the majority vote. I don't like it. Um, because I think it should be a higher threshold considering where we've been with

throwing people off of subcommittees. Um, but I'm willing to go with the majority here and just just to get it done because Dr. Vez put a lot of time into this and I and I like it outside of that, but I will still vote for it. But there's no twothirds in here. Dr. Anderson Unless you want to amend it and put

two/3 in there. >> Excuse me. Just a point just a point of clarity. Okay. >> I think I saw in here and I and I need a uh I need to understand this. I think I saw something about Can you scroll up, Len about um showing cause to remove a board member? I don't remember that being in the first one. There are things

that have been added that weren't on the previous and that's where I'm confused. I'm not sure if you're representing this accurately, meal, and I'm trying to figure that out, but I thought there were a few more things added. >> No, Dr. Kowski, >> I'm having her scroll up so we can see. >> Yeah, Dr. Karaski, I didn't touch this.

This is Dr. Veza's original um this is her original guidelines for subcommittee and how we're supposed to operate. I I made no changes. And like I said, I asked for changes to be made. They didn't get made and I know why. And it's okay. But I I didn't make any other changes to this. >> I made nothing. This is all Dr. BZ

>> which I like. >> Who we like? >> Okay. I'm going to give the floor. Do we have comments so we can go in order? Mr. Barham presented. Dr. Anderson asked questions. >> Mr. Schwarz. All right. So, I'll go. So, it says subcommittee members may be removed for cause, not attending meetings, failing to report out of time, breaches of

confidentiality. Uh, removal requires the majority right there. Removal requires the majority vote of the board. So, not twothirds. Does that mean that the majority of the board must show cause or does that mean the remor the majority of the board can move on this outside of removed for cause? Is that binding on how the majority of the

board votes? This is where I am not getting how that reads. >> Can I can I can I answer you? >> Um well, I'm asking Dr. BZ. Sorry. >> So, just to confirm, I just want to make sure we all know we're still looking at the same document that was presented in December. So, Miss Anna Sebar confirmed

that she looked back. Um can you go back to that piece with cause, please? So, submit subcommittee members may be removed for cause. for example, not attending meetings, failing to report out timely or breaches of confidentiality. The removal requires the majority vote of the board, which essentially means if there is um any indication that somebody needs to be

removed for cause, that item would need to be agendaized as a subcommittee um agenda item and then the board can take action on that um and provide the cause. Does that does that clarify, Dr. Kamaroski? a little bit because we have we have an action item coming up next which relates to the board submes and there might be tension on that based

upon this if somebody is pressing to have somebody removed or added and that might happen and this is this has happened in the last few months and so until this is reconciled it could be that on this next action item based upon this somebody wants to say look I want to jump into that committee or I don't

want to work with X, Y, and Z. Whatever it is, I want to make absolutely clear that the board knows what this means. This is binding on this next action item. I don't feel comfortable with the showing cause. I feel comfortable with the majority of the board determining what subcommittee and shifting around as they as they choose. So, I am I am I am

not for cause subcommittee members may be removed for cause. This is just me. Removal requires majority vote of the board. >> Yeah. >> Make a motion to amend this and stripping off the previous sentence. Removal requires the majority vote of the board. >> Oh. Oh, Dr. Kowski. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait. >> I'm confused. My my um my edit here would be to take

the first sentence off and leave the removal requires the majority of the board. >> So you Okay. So if so that I'm clear. So you want to take off subcommittee members may be removed for cause not attending meetings failing to report out timely or breaches of conf. You want to take that out. Is that correct? Yeah. >> Is that time? Dr. Kamaroski,

>> thank you. >> The first Dr. Kroski, I'm sorry. Are we doing debate? I mean, I presented Are you in your first round of debate right now? Is that where you're at? >> I'm I'm just asking the question. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> So, my thought is is that the removal requires the majority vote of the board.

Some of these examples may be for reasons related regarding example not attending meetings failing to report out timely or breaches of confidentiality etc. I'm fine with all of that but not for cause quotation marks there's something about that that I don't trust. So again I'll reinstate this removal requires the majority vote of the board. Examples may include not attending

meetings, failing to report out timely breaches of confidentiality, etc. Period. Done. Okay. >> I second. >> Okay. All right. So, >> the only thing that I might add to this is >> so sorry. Uh I'm sorry. Subcommittee members, subcommittee member removal requires that those two words need to be in front of removal. Um, subcommittee member removal. Yeah, that makes it

sub subcommittee. Okay. So, can I see this, Dr. Kamaroski? It's okay. Uh my idea is to remove that and say subcommittee member removal requires the majority vote of the board. >> And then we're going to take that. How about cut and paste that and push it to the end of the sentence and then we're gonna Yeah. Subcommittee member removal,

not members. Subcommittee member removal requires the majority vote of the board. >> But but you have subcommittee members. I would take off the yes. >> Uh removal requires a majority vote of the board. And then for example such as and then everything in parenthesis. >> Okay. So let's let's look at it. >> All right. >> I need to see it.

>> My my two minutes are done on this first round. >> So Dr. Koski, just so that we know what we're doing here. U so I've presented correct? >> Yes. And you have two sets of comments. Yes. >> Okay. And you've gone through one set. >> I've already done one set. >> Okay. Just want to be clear.

>> And in that Yeah. And in that in my first comments, we have a motion which is this and a second. I believe Dr. Anderson seconded. >> Okay. So, hold on. I'm sorry. So, >> finish putting it up there before you talk. >> Okay. I just want to be clear on the motions here because we have a lot going

on here. >> I'll I'll do the edit on my second round of comments because we're stalling Mr. Barham. Yeah, Mr. Barham. >> I need to see this. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Maybe we should take a threem minute recess. >> I'm actually up for a five minute. Is the board Does the majority of the board want to take a

>> I move for I move for recess. >> You want to recess, Mrs. Versma? >> I move for recess. As long as I can make as long as I can discuss when we come back. I've got >> five minutes. We'll pick up where we left off with M Mr. Barham. >> Sure. Thank you. and Mr. Barham now has the floor.

Okay. So, there's a lot of scribbles in here, but I'm going to make a motion on the original document before any changes were made by Dr. Kamaskki. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> All right. Motion is second. Len, would you please call roll? >> No. Do Do we >> Oh, no. We could do discussion. You have

two more rounds. We have a motion, a second, correct? >> Okay. Go ahead. I don't want to talk anymore. It's my motion. I I support it. Okay. Um I know that there are going to be changes to I mean Dr. Kowski is obviously going to make changes and that's going to be something that's amended. Um but I do want to say that

according to the rules of order for cause in terms of subcommittee removal is in the rules of order and if we are going to abide by bylaw 9323.7 which includes the rules of order the words for cause are in the rules of order and there are examples such as this that Dr. Vez has outlined >> that are in those rules. So,

>> I am for leaving for cause in taken out and I think I know why it's going to be taken out. But I do want to say this within the rules of order when subcommittee members may be removed for cause, there is also due process in the rules of order. So if if people are going to start making motions again to

remove people from subcommittees, there is a process by which that is done, which we have not abided by in the past. And like I said, if we're going to abide by our bylaws, which we need to do, because if we don't, those are violations of state law. Those include the rules of order. The words for cause are in those rules

and we need to abide by the rules. Thank you. >> Okay, that was your first round. Do you want to do a second round because Mr. Schwarz yielded his time? >> No, I'm good. >> I'm good. M uh Dr. Can you uh Mr. Barham, you reference the bylaw? Len, would you mind pulling it up? Mhm. >> It's right at the top. Len

purpose and authority. Do you want me to read it, doctor, or do you want to >> Oh, you mean that one sentence? >> Yeah. Yeah, the board formally adopts Robert's rules of new 12th edition to govern parliamentary procedure during governing board meetings and within I I don't want to go over my time and have a point of order called on me. So, if you

want to give me 10 seconds, I think I can explain this. >> Yeah. No, I got it. It Yep. Thank you for pulling it up, Len. No further. Now, if you want to do your second round of two-minute comments, you can. >> Okay. So, if we're going to follow bylaw 9323.7, which says that we need to be

following the rules of order, again, I will say that for cause is in the rules of order and that if a board member is going to be removed for cause, which I'm okay with, okay, if that if the if the if the board member is not fulfilling the duties on this subcommittee, I'm fine with that as long as there's due

process and not just the willy-nilly of, you know, I don't like you um which is what I believe it's been in the past and I'm just going to remove you which I'm going to quote Mrs. Weman back on September 30, okay, saying there has been targeting of subcommittee of trustees work on subcommittees, which is wrong. Okay, it's wrong. It

disenfranchises voters. we start the work and then a trustee um you know they they get upset at you and and they make motions to remove you after you've been working on the subcommittee for for two months. It's not fair. So that's why for cause is is very important and within that realm um there needs to be due

process which the rules of order outline because that's fair. So that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you. We have a motion a second. If there's no additional comments we can take a vote. Oh that's right. Miss Chai is here and she wanted to comment on this. All right. >> Hey guys, I know I came in a little late

so I don't really know what has already been spoken about this but this is just um in uh relation to me and my role. So, under CSBA guidance on student board member responsibilities, which I will also talk about more in depth later when introducing the amended bylaw, student board members are stated as having the right to be appointed to subcommittees.

So, due to the time restraints as a high school senior, I initially stayed out of this discussion because I am not always able to be physically present for subcommittee meetings. However, I would still be interested in contributing in a more flexible way, such as providing input based on posted agendas or meeting with board or cabinet members who serve

on those subcommittees before or after the meetings to share student perspectives. And I also want to just make sure that the students sitting in this role in future years are comfortable joining subcommittees as they wish. If the board is open to it, I would appreciate the opportunity to engage in this capacity, particularly with the dress code and drug awareness

subcommittees to further my involvement while also being mindful of time constraints. Thank you. >> Thank you, Melissa. >> Okay, Len, would you mind calling ro? We have a motion, a second, and that's to approve the original without my amendment. Um, yes. And that was moved by Barham and seconded by Schwarz, right? Is that the one we're doing?

>> I think so. Yes. Correct. >> Where's >> no >> Anderson? >> No. >> Barham, >> yes. >> Schwarz, >> Kamaroski, >> no. Motion, >> student board member, >> that's right. >> I will not vote on this one. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, now I will motion to approve this with the amendment of the sentence that we had. And we can, if you put that

up above, I can read it out. >> I have it right here. >> Okay, I'll read this out. >> What's their plan? >> Subcommittee me. So, this is on step eight, remov uh review, removal, and dissolution. Subcommittee members, subcommittee, >> the has to come off. >> Sorry. Subcommittee member removal requires a majority vote of the board for reasons such as but not limited to

not attending meetings, failing to report out timely or breaches of confidentiality, etc. That's my motion. Do I have a second? >> I don't see what you just >> second. >> Second. So now we can now we can entertain rounds of >> I don't see the screen. >> You are going to Mr. Schwarz, we had the motion up on the

screen. It didn't save. So now Thank you, Len. And please take your time. No pressure. It's one of those moments. Okay, I have nothing more to discuss, but if anybody else wants to discuss, there's a motion in a second on the table. Mr. Schwarz. >> Yes. Uh it's way too vague. Uh such as but not limited to. So you could they

could remove uh Mr. barhead because he's wearing a gray sweatshirt or they could remove me because I'm wearing a shirt that says students, schools, and financial responsibility. What you're basically saying is what this is saying is you could the a majority can remove any board member for no reason. There's no reason that has to be stated and that

is total anarchy. I don't know how you guys feel about it, but I think it's anarchy. And I will definitely not only vote against it, I'm going to submit it to CSBA to get their opinion about it because I think it's illegal. >> Mr. Barham, do you have any comments? >> I do. I absolutely do. Um, this is

tyranny of the majority and Dr. Anderson, as this motion is being read, is sitting there nodding her head because she's all in favor of just removing anybody for any any old reason. Um because that's the way that she operates. She's not here, okay, to get the work done by the most qualified person. She's here for other reasons.

And I want the public to understand and to know that. Um so there is no due process here. And this is a violation again of 9323.7, our bylaw, which encompasses the rules of order. Um, so I would like that noted into the minutes, Len, because I'm going to be I'm looking for all of these violations and I'm going to collect them

all. Um, but we need to follow the rules of order. There is no due process um here. And again, this is a tyranny of the majority and it disfranchi disenfranchises the people that we represent because they expect us to be up here working for kids, working for students, working for schools, which we have done, but they but there are certain people over there

that they don't care about that. They're here for other reasons, and it's uh it's really sad. So, I am going to leave it at that. >> All right. >> I do have a couple of comments. So, I'm a bit conflicted because I have been a victim of no due process and tyranny of the majority. And I want to say I'm

thinking through this and um I'm trying to figure out the best way to do this because I do think there needs to be transparency in conversation with this. Um, I was kicked out of things a year ago that I had worked on for a year and it was a problem. So, it's a little bit of a mixed bag for me at this point. I'm

going to be honest. Um, the problem with cause and so forth is you always have bias enter in. You always have perspective that somebody else isn't going to agree with. So, I don't know where you land with it. And for me, what I would be more comfortable with at this point is putting a pause on this because

I do want to make sure maybe council has to look at the wording. Um, because we don't know what the board's going to look like in future years and I don't want to make a mistake with this, but neither do I want to just assign cause because again, we can argue what cause is. So, that's where I'm at.

>> Okay. Dr. Anderson. >> Um, it's true tyranny of the majority sucks when you're in the minority and we did remove Jen from a lot of committees. So, if we're all sitting here pretending that we're victims. Um, now at one point tyranny of the majority was flopped. So, if that's the term we're going to use, um, anarchy, I don't know, overthrow the

government, I think that we should bring this back so that we can consider it because I do agree that, um, Mrs. Wearsma, and that's one things that I learned was um that we should have worked old differently, waiting a couple weeks for her to look at it. Um, but we would need a majority to do that. We have a motion

and a second. So, let's just go to vote then if there's no other discussion. All right. Mr. Barham has a second round of comments. >> Yeah. No, I mean I I just want to say that we as a board need to be working on these subcommittees for kids, for students, for our community. We should be functioning as a

whole here. And we need to stop this nonsense of I Why are we talking about this? I mean, we have competent people who have talent in certain areas. Let them do that work and stop prohibiting talented >> board members with a certain level of expertise from working on a subcommittee for our children and for our schools. Um

because we don't like them. Because that, let's be honest, that is what it has been in the past. That is what it has been and everybody knows it. So, let's stop this nonsense and be adults and put the right Everybody's got a talent up here. Let's put the right people in the right places and start working for our kids and respect the

work that is being done on these subcommittees. Thank you. Okay, I'll do my last comment. Uh the the next meeting later in the month when we report out our one to three sentence statement on our goal work subcommittee work is pointless unless we adopt something. So let's just vote on the motion in the second and that's just my

two cents and Dr. Anderson's going to or sorry Dr. B is going to clarif clarify something. >> Thank you Dr. Kamaraskki. just like to clarify these are guidelines and as I stated in the December meeting these guidelines are meant to provide direction to the staff and provide order in terms of the subcommittees. So there these items hasn't hasn't necessarily

been run through legal these are not legal guidelines. It's not tied to ED code. It's essentially a guideline and a way to provide structure internally so that we can work appropriately at the board's discretion in each subcommittee appropriately. And I do want to share that Dr. Kamaraskki is correct. Without some adoption of the guidelines, the work that's being done currently in the

subcommittees and the development of goals for every single subcommittee um that we had stated we would bring back on February 24th would be moot at this point. Thank you, Dr. VeZ. And I think I'm not sure, Jen, did you do a second round? >> I did not. >> Okay, this is your second round of comments. Okay. >> So, Dr. Vez, I don't know if you would

mind commenting here with your pep perspective, but looking at this and understanding on your end, when committees shift, it can affect staff or work that's been done. And looking at that word cause, where do you see the flexibility with that? What is your opinion and perspective looking into this and what the board has dealt with? I really want to know.

>> The board always has the discretion to remove or add someone to a subcommittee. That is uh right now that has worked by majority vote. Um, I do always believe that if somebody is going to be removed from a a particular subcommittee, there has to be reason. Whether you utilize that as the word cause or whether you

don't, I do think there has to be always a reason given as to why somebody would be removed from a subcommittee. So, that is language that I did put in there. Um it again it you voted down the the first particular um item it's back for revision but I always do feel in fairness to every person on the board

that the reason necessarily that should be given for removal from a subcommittee. >> Okay. So this is where I'm going to land. I think there should be cause and discussion and I don't think cause should be pinpointed into these three things. There should be discussion, there should be a cause and then there's a majority vote. So I'm good if we go

there. It says, give me a second here. It says um reasons such as but not limited to. So I think that has scope over what your concern was. But either way, um we're we're at the voting stage. So if you're done with your comments, we're just going to take a vote. And if we don't vote this, then somebody else can make a

motion or we can move on. >> Is she asking for cause in here? Miss Wesman, just to clarify, are you asking for words to be taken out of that particular bullet point? I'm I don't have a problem with what you just said. If somebody's going to be removed, there should be a reason. It is the cause that shouldn't be defined as

just these three things. It should be a robust discussion. >> It says such as, but not limited to. >> There could be other reasons outside of this. Just giving an example. >> So you feel like that covers it? >> Yes, absolutely. >> Dr. Vez, is it possible Len to or I'm sorry, Miss Any Bar to put um examples

like you utilize it as examples? Miss Weman, does that make you more comfortable if we to use these as examples? But it could be others as well. >> And that's what such as means, etc. But I get it. It's semantics at this point, but it really does do what you're saying. >> Well, that could work because I I do

agree there has to be a reason. There has to be a discussion and a reason. It can't be that we're making sweeping decisions. >> It says four reasons. >> Yeah. And those should be discussed. >> It's not limited to. >> Okay. >> Len, would you mind calling >> I'm sorry. You already did your second round, Steve. Let's exhaust the motion and if

we have another one, we'll do another two rounds. Let's just vote it. >> And this is to accept it. >> This is a motion to accept this one as it was. >> And if the board doesn't like this, we can do another amendment and do another two cycles of conversation. Totally open up for or just move on to the next

action item. >> Which is why I suggested bringing it back with the right verbiage. I just I want to be comfortable with where we land. >> Renee, would you mind calling role? Who who [clears throat] made? [sighs] >> I did. >> I motioned it and Dr. Anderson seconded. >> Sorry about that. I just wanted to write it down. Okay. Where's

>> Okay, we we can make it official. I motion to adopt this with this amendment. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Mrs. Wesma second it. >> Got it. With amendment. Okay. Wearsma. >> Yes. Anderson. >> Yes. >> Barham. >> No. >> Schwarz. >> Kamaroski. >> Yes. Motion adopted. >> Board member refrain from voting. >> Okay. Thanks.

Okay. >> All right. >> Now we are on to action item number nine. Community update on board subcommittees and related work. >> No, no, no. Dr. Kowski, I mean there's reorganization of subcommittees here. I have other motions to make. >> Oh, excuse me. Oh, on the >> Can you do me a favor? >> Um, Len on eight, will you click?

I have other motion. This is my item and Mr. Schwarz's item. And we have other motions to make here. You have the next one, Dr. Anderson, and that's what we talked about at the beginning of the meeting. Thank you. Um, so I'm going to make my next motion, Dr. Kamski. >> So, wait a point of clarity. Wait, wait,

Dr. Anderson, you can't you can have a >> Yeah, this is reorganization of subcommittees. >> But but excuse me, excuse me. And this Dr. uh BZ, you can correct me if I'm wrong. On the very next item, we have community update board subcommittees and related work. So if there's a re Okay, there's a reorganization here. Is this

an exhaustive list of the subcommittees in 8 versus nine? >> Yeah, I mean I just have a few motions here that I would like to make because it's under reorganization of subcommittees. >> So if I could if I could proceed here, please. >> But not yet. Not yet. It's another point of care, another point of clarity. >> Can you uh pull this? Okay. So are you

going to officially present this or is it going to be Steve? >> I will officially present this. >> All right. Three minutes. I have a point of order. There's one motion listed and they already presented for three minutes on that motion. Now they're saying they have more motions to make and they want three minutes for more motions.

>> I don't need the three minutes. >> If you click on the exhibit and you look at the motion that's written, there's one motion and we've exhausted this and we're going to be here all night if we keep letting them >> add. >> Dr. Anderson, I understand what you're saying. >> Schools financial responsibility. >> Yeah. >> Give me a second, Mr.

I'm trying to clear this up. >> There is a logical operator there and and it implies two things going on in the recommended motion. We've just done one. >> Thank you, Dr. >> Kari. I it you know what it's >> I'm not going to present again. I'm not going to present. >> I'm just going to make my motions and

we'll just we'll go through them. >> Okay. So, basically at two round two minutes for the first round. >> Yeah. Whatever you want to do is >> and then two minutes for the second round. I'm just trying to keep order. It's not >> That's fine. I mean, it's up to you. I mean, I I think we should, you know,

follow the rules of debate. Okay. So, let me make my motions and let's go through these. I know Dr. Anderson's having a hard time with this, but we'll we'll figure it out. >> Okay. [snorts] >> Well, it's getting late, but we have business to discuss here, Dr. Anderson. >> Yeah. So, let's do it. I know you're excited, Mr. Bar. You have the floor.

>> Thank you, sir. Okay. So, my first motion, Here's my first motion. I move to disband the accountability and goals subcommittee. >> Second. All right. Okay. All right. Okay. So, that's my first mo I mean, I have other motions that I want to make. >> Well, let's vote on it. >> Yeah. And Dr. Anderson, I mean, uh, I

want to explain why. Okay. Because you're on this with me, >> okay? You're on this with me and we've done a lot of work on this and we've done some good work. And when I first came on, I mean, people would say, "Hey, Neil, your middle name is accountability." And I love accountability, but I feel and I'm going

to quote you, Dr. Kamroski, um because we had a meeting and we establish a goal. We've done the heavy lifting here and I think we need to leave this the rest of this to Dr. VeZ. Um because we can we can implement our own mechanisms of accountability with our own oversight. And this is how I see it

happening. We're going to do it tonight when Lisa Brown talks about LCAP. That's a mechanism of accountability. We know in our private meetings with Dr. VeZ on a weekly on a weekly basis, we're we know what the issues are and we talk about th those things with her, but she is the person now because she oversees this whole organization and she's our

only employee. We've come up with the goals. We've done the heavy lifting. We've got our big four and I think that we need to leave this to Dr. Vez to finish it out and uh I am perfectly fine with uh disbanding this and we've done our good work and that's that's my justification for this. >> Mr. Barham, are you going to be giving a

two-minut are you going to be giving a speech on every single one of these? Could I I would like to expedite this. We do have a motion to >> Let's do the motion. Let's let's do it. I agree and I've already talked with Dr. Vez, too. So, this possibility is approaching and we're good. All right. Um, we had a motion for Mr. Barham. I

think we had a second from Dr. Anderson. >> Let's do it. >> Len, would you mind calling roll? >> Yes. Anderson? >> Yes. Barham? >> Yes. >> Schwarz, >> should I make it unanimous? Yes. >> Kamaroski? >> Yes. Motion adopted 5. >> Sorry. Sorry. Yes. >> Motion adopted 5-0. Thank you. So the um goals and accountability sub commmittee

dissolved. Now we're on to >> my next >> I'd like to expedite if you could maybe lump some in if you want. We can do one at a time but we're really staying here for like almost no worries. I can do that. Okay. So I move to disband dress code subcommittee sunshine committee. Do I have a second?

>> Second. I have no discussion. If there's no discussion, Len, would you call roll >> no >> Anderson? >> No. >> Schwarz, >> yes. >> Oh, sorry. Bar, I skipped Barham. I'm forgive Barham. I'm sorry. Schwarz, >> Kamroski, >> no. >> Student, >> refrain from voting. >> Okay, thank you. >> Lotion not adopted. Okay, so now we've

got dress code. Yeah, we've got uh sunshine committee. Okay, and that's it. >> Um let me look. Okay, so I have one more motion that I need to make. Um and that will be it. Um this is for grading practices. I move to remove Dr. Anderson from the grading practices subcommittee and to put either myself or Mr. Schwarz on this

subcommittee. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? >> Sorry. Any discussion? I have discussion. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> Uh Mr. Barham first. >> Yeah. I mean, >> can I make a motion that we allow one minute? >> We already have We already have a motion in a second. Let's >> One minute. We have debate time.

>> Let's let this exhaust. This is >> We have debate time. >> Yeah. Mr. Barham, let me uh please give her clarity. >> Okay. >> This was adopted in by the board. I actually didn't agree with this, but this is where we're at on these time limits. So, let me It's like hurting cats, but it's really like hurting

tigers up here. So, let me just try to get through this. Got two minutes. Mr. Barham, >> I mean, here it is. And it's it's no offense to her, but I'm trying to my thinking is what is working best for students. And Dr. Anderson is not a teach she's she's not a teacher. Okay. Schwarz and myself, we've

been grading for he's been grading for 40 years and I've been grading for 25. And there's different practices of grading depending on the grade of the kid. I mean, grading English language arts in kindergarten is different than grading English language arts as a fifth grader, as a ninth grader, as a 12th grader. And and it's not only about how

you grade, it's do you understand the Common Core standards that go into each grade. I mean, there's so much that goes into this. And you know, it's like I said, and it's not to degrade anybody. Everybody up here as a board member has different expertise and different talent. Let's put the right board members in the right place, okay? so

that they can contribute to what's going to be best for the kids. That's what I'm about. So, it's not a slight on anybody. It's who's qualified to be on what. I'm not I'm I'm no good on the dress code. That's that's that's not my expertise. Um that that that's what I'm about. who's the best qualified person to work on

these subcommittees to move our district and our kids forward on their educational journey and I I just feel like Mr. Schwarz or myself were the best person to do that in addition to yourself and that's all >> I worked on this committee uh for quite a while with uh Mr. Bweek when we talked about math, we moved on to another

subject. I I don't want to this is not to denigrate anybody or talk about what they do know or what they don't know, but I did this for 40 years and this is my area of expertise. Uh I would not be on the dress code committee and I certainly would not be on the CRT resolution. But this is

something that I know and I have worked on and I think that people on the committee should be the ones who have the expertise in that area. >> All right. Thank you. Any other comments? If not, we're going to go to vote. We have a motion, a second, and that's to remove uh Dr. Anderson and appoint um to be specific. I want to

reinstate the motion to add who? >> I don't care. You want to do it? I support you. >> Okay, I can do it. >> All right, Mr. Barham. And that's that's the motion and the second. So, Len, would you mind calling ro? >> Sure. Wearsma, >> no. >> Anderson, >> no. Barham, >> yes. >> Schwarz, >> Kamroski,

>> no. Motion not adopted. [laughter] >> Student. >> So, I would like from voting. >> I would like to >> Yeah. Okay. >> Student vote. >> I'm trying to call on the I'm trying to call on the student. >> Okay. you refrain. I am going to make a motion and this is at the request of the student too. I'm going to make a motion

to add Miss Chai to the drug awareness and the dress code subcommittees. >> Oh, yeah. >> Do I have a second? >> Second. We talked about it, right, Melissa? >> Mr. Barham. So, if we don't have discussion, Miss Chai, do we have discussion on this? Would you like to? >> Uh, just under the knowledge that I will

not always be physically present at these meetings, but I will contribute to them asynchronously. >> Perfect. Yep. >> All right. If no other discussion, let's take a Well, okay, we have a motion, a second. Let's take >> roll. >> So, I do actually have another question. >> So, I just want to make sure I'm understanding with the next item. We're

doing the readout of what we accomplished. And this is for rearrangement. So, if I have a suggestion that comes now versus waiting. >> Well, we do. We do on the next action items have community update on board subcommittees and related work. So, >> right. So, I'm just I'm trying to delineate what's the difference presented there as well.

>> Good question. >> Okay. Len, would you mind calling ro >> yes Anderson? Yes. Barham >> adding Melinda. >> This is to adding this is adding Miss Chai to the drug awareness and the >> code. Yes. >> Schwarz. Yes, definitely. >> Kamroski. >> Yes. >> Student board member. >> All right. >> Motion adopt 5-0. Okay. >> Good. And Dr. Kamaskki, I made a

mistake. I'm sorry. I had one more. >> Yeah, no problem. I was going to say congratulations, Miss Chai. You are now involved in subcommittee work. >> Very good. That's great. Sorry. >> Yeah, no problem. >> Can I be recognized? >> Yes. >> Thank you. Okay. So, I have one more motion. I move to disband the CRT committee. Do I have a second? Second.

>> Do we have discussion? >> I have discussion. >> Let's >> Nope. I The motion's there. >> Yep. Let's restart Let's restart the uh >> I mean I I am never ever ever going to vote for a CRT policy. The last one, and I don't want to go back. The last one is it's it's going to cost us some money. I

don't want to belver that point. Everybody knows what's going to happen here. Um th this there is no CRT policy anywhere in this country except for in one place right now and it's where it started in Paso Robas. It is still there but it is dormant and it has never been acted on. And that is why there's never been any

lawsuit brought against the district. Okay? because it is a dormant inactive policy. So CRT as far as I'm concerned is has come and gone. We don't need to deal with it anymore. We don't teach it in the schools. And if it is taught in any way, which I'm not really for, but if it is taught, I was on the CRT

committee as part of the negotiation with Advocates for Faith and Freedom. My posture was going to be I'm I'm never going to bring a policy forward. I'm going to let this thing die and if there if if this does come up, my posture is going to be that the superintendent will deal with this and the principal and

that is the end of it. We don't need any CRT and I move to uh disband this >> second. Mr. Schwarz, do you have any comments? Yeah. I mean, when you think about it, why do we have a policy about something we don't teach? Are we going to have a policy about pigeon coops? We're going to have a policy about uh frog hunting.

We're going to have a policy about uh how you cut your nails. I mean, really, we don't teach. It's not in the curriculum. It's not in the core curriculum. It's not in the standards. It's not in the textbooks. and let's just put this to bed once and for all. >> Audience, let's keep it down. >> Can I and let's get back to things that

benefit students and schools. >> Any other discussion? Len, would you mind calling? >> I do have >> something to contribute. So, Dr. Kamaroski and I have been on this committee for some time. If you're familiar with ethnic studies here in the state, you know it's on pause. Dr. Kamaroski and I worked for three or four months with some great leaders in

looking at curriculum and the possibilities of what we would have if the state moved forward. That work was not in vain. Critical race theory is a real thing. There are teachers in the district that have utilized aspects. We're doing it to protect the kids. We don't want Marxist theories in the classroom. Would we need to come back

with something that looks different? quite possibly. But we're on pause right now. The state is on pause right now. There's no need to disband this because the concern is still there and we will have an understanding of how it may change, what we need to do differently, but this doesn't this can sit right where it's at. We've done a lot of work

and I think there's still a journey that will be ongoing. So that's my opinion. >> Any other discussion? >> Mr. If you're going to make accusations about where it's been taught, you need to be specific about the people and the schools. Otherwise, blanket accusations are just smears against our teachers. So, if you have you have an incident

where it happened, please get the principal to write it up and bring it to us so we can look at it. Otherwise, please don't do that. We have enough stuff in the community against our teachers and against our schools. We're here for them. So, please don't do things like that. It's inappropriate. So, in terms of the ethnic studies, it's

on pause. I understand that there's been work done on that and I understand that there's some differences in how we approach ethnic studies. This district is never is never going to adopt, excuse me, this district is never going to adopt a liberated ethnic studies program. I do not see it happening. Um I don't see our district staff supporting

anything like that. And like I said again, critical race theory is so complex. It's word salad, folks. That's what it is. And I don't see anybody ever, ever, ever. And I have read books on it. My head spins. It's so hard to understand. I don't see anybody ever writing an effective critical race theory policy that is going to stand the muster of any

court. it is going to be slammed down every time. And I don't want to spend the time or the resources dealing with this issue ever again. And if it comes up because it's g it's already cost us a fortune. It's going to and if it comes up then the superintendent can deal with that issue. That's that's my take. Thank you.

>> Thank you, Len. Uh so to be clear, the motion is to remove the CRT U subcommittee and this is uh moved by Mr. Barham and seconded by Mr. Schwarz. Len, would you mind calling role? >> Where's >> no Anderson? >> No. >> Barham, >> absolutely yes. >> Absolutely yes. >> Schwarz, >> yes. >> Kamaroski, >> no.

>> Student vote. >> Refrain from voting. [laughter] >> Motion not adopted. Two to three. So, are we done with this item? >> We we are not done. I think I think what I'm going to do is move on to can because not all the committee groups have met yet. Is there a way to push off the next one and give the summary at the

last meeting of the month and then I think this would be an appropriate time for me to talk about >> make the motion. Mrs. Wearsma, excuse me. You don't have the floor, Mr. Barn. Sorry. >> Okay. Hold on. Are you Okay, you decide. >> I'm I'm trying to get clear on what you're asking. Are you We're on action

item nine right now, or are you still talking about eight? >> Tell me what action item you're on, and then I can figure out what you're trying to do. >> What I'm going to do is make suggestions for a change to the subcommittee with the drug intervention program. I can do it now or I can wait. >> But what action item? Oh, okay. So,

you're saying what do you want? Do you want do you want to move on out of this action item eight and talk about that in subcommittee? That's fine. Action item. We can do that. >> Okay. We're now in action item number nine. >> Two public comments. >> We have two public comments. Thank you, Mrs. Worman. We'll do that in action

item nine. >> Okay. First speaker is David Hatch, followed by Lindsay. >> No mic. >> Oh, push the button. >> It's my first time. Uh, so I didn't even want to come up here tonight and I'm obviously a parent and a taxpayer and I just want clarity and transparency, not debate. We've had a lot of debate tonight. I'm not here to do that. I just

I reviewed the subcommittee list. I watched the meeting earlier and I saw the warrant list and saw that we were still paying an outside law firm. Uh, and it seems like we're on retainer. And I was told at previous meetings last year that that wasn't occurring. And I I'm a very novice at this, so I could be

wrong, but that's why I came up here to to seek some clarification. So, uh, every other committee, it was hilarious to me because we're we're getting rid of committees that have a clear purpose and a defined scope and a student focused objective. We're getting rid of the sunshine committee. So, and we have a CRT resolution committee. Okay, that's

fine. What is the purpose of that? And we have two trustees on there who passed that resolution very controversially and it's cost the district a lot of money. I don't know how much, but I'm just saying maybe a diverse group on that committee if we really need to have that committee, but it's ongoing. There's ongoing costs. We have a large deficit

in this district. I am very focused on that. How are we going to replace and prepare facilities at our schools when we're running this district and paying law firms for a subcommittee that doesn't even do anything? You like they're not you guys aren't even doing anything. So, I I just would like some clarification, please. Uh maybe an email

if someone could return an email for me. And these are my questions. What problem is this subcommittee solving? What specific outcomes or deliverables is it working toward? a new resolution a you know what is it working towards what financial obligation obviously we're hourly with them is there an hourly minimum that we have to require what is that in regards to and and do any other

subcommittees have outside law firms on retainer does the sunshine committee have an outside law firm I would love to know that law firm uh so anyways again I just want transparency that builds trust there I I moved here Memorial Day of 2022 too. I have a lot of distrust for you guys. I am sorry to say that, but I

do. And transparency builds trust. Parents don't expect perfection. I am not perfect at all by any means. I expect clarity and accountability, and that's all I want. So, thank you very much for listening to me. Uh, I appreciate your time. [applause] I wasn't going to speak on this one, but after uh what was uh transpired, you know, I feel like I I got to say a few

things. So, this was presented by you, Melinda. You know, this agenda item is to intended to provide the community with a clear and transparent update on the status, activity, and direction of current board subcommittees. Um I love that the first one is grading practices. You know, I understand why you, Dr. Kamaski, as a professor, you're on this one. you two

stated your cases as prior educators and why you deserve to be on it. I understand the reason why there was cause and reason to remove someone and I truly don't understand why you, Dr. Melinda Anderson, you're on that subcommittee. I cannot wait for you to provide updates as to what you are going to provide on the grading subcommittee

for students when you've never been a teacher. I don't know if you're going to make a phone call to your dad who's a teacher. He's going to be in the subcommittee with you. I probably Oh, is that a Brown Act violation? I mean, I I don't understand. That was That's so lame. I don't even know why you would

say a comment like that. It's it's it's disingenuous. We all know why you removed those two and it's sad and I am I'm saddened by that. So, I'm very excited to hear what updates you can provide. Um I would like point by point as to how you're going to decipher how to grade math, um English, language arts. how are you going to do it across

all of the schools, which I don't even know if you know every school that's in our district. So, that'll be really great to to to hear. So, as far as the dress code subcommittee, I'm very excited to hear a readout on this. People in my community, um I've said this before, there's over a hundred new homes where I live. It's been brought to

my attention by neighbors that they are very, very concerned with dress code and we have not heard an update in a very, very long time. As far as sunshine committee, um, we don't need it. Drug awareness subcommittee. This one's very, very important to me. I know, um, I cannot wait to hear those readouts of how we can progress so we can move

forward out of being in we're in violation of one board policy, two ed codes. So, I'm very excited to hear the progress of that. I know that you have some great ideas, Mrs. Wearsma, and you're looking to collaborate and move the needle. And I am so excited to hear hopefully tonight on where that needle has moved. I know that it has been

almost 7 months without an intervention program in place for these kids. They need it. There is many children in this district who could utilize a service as far as treatment and prevention. And I am so excited to hear the collaboration that's hopefully being done and moving the needle forward so we can get back on track in that. And I know a lot of these

kids sitting behind me are very passionate about that and it's very important to them to get something in place. Drugs are a real issue. Alcoholism is a real issue and we need to move the needle so we can be compliant and get things moving in the right direction. Thank you. [applause] >> Okay, Len is going to pull this up.

Number nine. So, we had this agendaized twice and I think we spent what an hour on the other one. >> I'm going to give you the floor. Dr. uh Anderson, you've agendaized this. You have three minutes. >> Okay. I just wanted to give an update to everyone. Grading practices subcommittee, the meetings have been scheduled. Dress code subcommittee, the

meetings have been scheduled. Sunshine Committee. At this time, I'm looking at requesting to split the committee to better focus its work, but we will do that at the next board meeting because I'm waiting for feedback from the attorney. Um, drug awareness subcommittee. When I'm done speaking, I'm going to ask them to report out. Accountability and goals. I was going to

ask for that to be um disbanded and it already has. Dual immersion language, those meetings have been scheduled. Um and then also there was an issue we talked about the Mimmude matter. We did not set up a subcommittee but I just wanted that to let everyone know that although no subcommittee has been formed two member board members will be working

on this matter and we are scheduled to do that. The CRT related topics at this time any discussion is related in CRT but Mrs. Wearsma has stated this subcommittee has been on hold wait for a while and so nothing you can speak to it and just remind people for the third time that this subcommittee is on hold.

Um that was submitted by me. So I'd like all the subcommittees if you would like to if you have met and would like to provide an update that's my update. And I'm also going to request if anyone wants to um see the amount of time it takes to actually go through subcommittees, you can compare mine time to the last amount of time. Um because I

think that's all we needed, not an hour. >> Okay. And to be clear, we're not reporting out of these subcommittees until this next meeting at the end of the month. >> That's that's what it's supposed to be. >> Yeah. So it's updated. All right. So, >> let's move on. >> But there, excuse me. Excuse me. This is

in action. So, what motion do you want to put forward? Just motion to update and discuss, which is what you just did. >> Yep. That was it. >> Anything else that you want to add? Because you >> No, that was it. Motion to update and discussion. I just updated the public. And if anybody else wants to discuss,

but you said you'd want to wait till the end of the month. That's it. >> I have I have no discussion. We can we can let this die because it it just you just gave the update and we can just move on to the next action. Okay. So, is there Yeah, there's no motion. Oh, sorry. >> We're good.

>> I'll call for a motion in a second. Is there a motion in a second? >> It's dead. We're moving on. Number 10. Thank you for the update, though. >> Thank you, Mrs. Wema. >> So, I asked several times in the last item if we were going to discuss subcommittees here. >> Right. I'm wait I'm waiting for you to

>> I didn't know that you wanted to I mean >> Okay. I'm just I'm just gonna present my concern then. >> Okay. Um >> so we can uh please in the audience please. Thank you. >> Okay. >> So ne next next next time it would just help me because I'm I'm just relying on feedback before the motions are going

that you just like hey I want to discuss this um you know maybe remind me if there's specificity. Are you wanting to change one of the subcommittees in here? Because if that's the case, I did say that Mrs. Weman could do that on this item. So that's my mistake. >> I do have a concern and I have been

honored to work on the drug instruction, intervention, and recovery subcommittee. We did have a great meeting with the cabinet and I'm excited, Melissa, you're going to be joining us because I think it's important to have a student voice. Here's my concern. There's been a lot of talk tonight about rules and protocol and what we should be doing and what we

shouldn't be doing, what we should and shouldn't be doing. And here's the concern. Um, my colleague who sits on that board met with a student outside a regular school day on a Saturday for a discussion. Here's why. Here's why it matters. Can you let me explain? >> Excuse me. Excuse me. >> No, no, no. Mr. Barham, you don't have

the floor. This is the first warning to the entire audience. I will remove the audience for objectively disturbing the board from conducting business. If you want to continue this way, I'll clear everybody out. That's your first warning. The entire audience. Thank you, Mrs. Weissma. Please don't interrupt and I'm going to add 20 seconds to your time. >> Thank you. So, my concern is when

there's a board member that's meeting with a >> point of order. >> Excuse me. I'd like to No, no, Mr. Schwarz. Mr. Schwarz, we just talked about this a few action items ago. This might be the very reason that we were talking about Let this board member finish and then you can go around your debates and I won't let her interrupt

you. Nobody wants >> That's fine. Yes, >> M. Versa. >> Thank you. If we're going to talk about accountability and what's happening with these subcommittees, look, this is my opinion. Meeting with a minor outside of school on a Saturday is never out of line. >> Mr. Excuse me. You should be very careful with what I will be careful.

Please be very careful. All right. I think we're going to have to put us into recess because you're acting unprofessional. >> Be very careful. >> You're not presiding over the meeting and you're constantly interrupting and that's unprofessional. >> Be careful. >> Next interruption, we're going to put us in recess and I'm going to ask the board to do it. So, please don't interrupt.

Will you please add 20 seconds to Mrs. Wormmith's time, Len? Thank you. I mean, she's being interrupted four or five times here. This is very unprofessional. All right, Mrs. Wesma, I promise you that we will go two rounds if we want to on this item. You can make your points. Please don't interrupt her. >> So, here's my concern, and I am going to

be very careful with what I'm saying. We have gotten feedback from people in the community who have given us insight and it gives me great pause to think about the fact that I have a colleague meeting with a student because where we're going with this committee next is to bring in discussion and a student. I'm glad to have Melissa.

And it could be students that possibly are friends of the student that you met with. And based on what I've read in emails, I have a lot of concern. And if I can't trust the integrity of a fellow board member to come into the meeting and give me an honest opinion without going there, then I have doubt

that you should be on that particular committee. It's not about the student. It is about you, Mr. Barham. And there should never be a place where weaponize any aspect of meeting with students and giving opinions, whether it's activism or whatever it is. I've read the testimony of what people have said, and it gives me concern. So, at this point,

in knowing that that's going to continue to be hashed out, I'm uncomfortable with you being on this committee because I don't trust your intentions and I don't trust where that went with this student and I think it's important to take a break to pause on this and I would rather bring in Dr. Anderson who is a doctor who had some good ideas in terms

of what could be done and I just think this has to >> Mrs. W. Now we're going to go around. I second that >> Mr. Schwarz or Dr. >> I second that motion to remove you from the subcommittee >> for cause >> and to bring Dr. Anderson in. Now we will go to your comments. >> Yeah. Um

>> Mr. Schwarz. >> Yes. This is the second time one of our fellow board members has made a unfounded accusation against a fellow board member based on an email of feedback from someone. And if you're going to continue to make accusations, you really need to know what you're saying and who you're talking about because you are putting

this board in a position where there can be ramifications from what you just said. And I'm going to let Mr. Barham continue because you talked about him. So, Mrs. Wearsma, just for your information, that student is here. His family is here. That family has been to my home. They know who I am. We're friends, okay? And they knew that I was meeting with

that student at their request. The students father and I are friends. He has been to my home. The little brother has been to my home with the father. His wife is friends with other members of my family. So I don't know where you're going here. Okay? I don't know where you're going, but you are out of line completely. and

every every every single thing there are going to be great ramifications for those v for those videos and possibly for this board now now that you have said what you have said and that's why I've asked you to be careful okay that family is right out there >> living >> yeah and you are screwing up big time by

what you just said and And you know what it's why do you do these things? It's like we were working well on that drug subcommittee. We made progress on that drug subcommittee. So why do you do these things? Because you know dogone well, okay, that what is circulating outside in social media is a bunch of crap. It's a bunch of crap and the

family is right here to attest to it. It's so awful that you would bring that up. So awful. [applause] >> Dr. Anderson. >> Okay, so I just want to make this clear. I brought this up before. Um, there is false information being provided. We are not out of compliance. Students have not stopped using these programs. These programs are still available to every

student in our district. No one's been left hanging. Any resident can use the Riverside Health Drug Program. Having anou just adds extra steps in my opinion. So when someone comes up and says we're out of ED code, we're out of compliance, that's concerning to me because They're misleading the public. And then I noticed that students came up and they

were repeating the same false information, which I'm wondering where you got because if you get on Google, you'll find out we're not out of compliance. The students are still have access to these. No one's been left hanging. Nobody's was dropped from these drug programs. So, everyone needs to know this still exists. It exists in a different form. Theou did not make us

out of compliance and we didn't abandon any students that had drug issues. They still have access to this. This is Riverside County. If you're a resident of Riverside County, you have free access to this program. So, one of my biggest concerns is when students come up and they repeat the exact same misinformation, false information that community members and board members are

repeating, I'm wondering where are they getting that? Are they getting the truth? Are they getting online? Are they talking to people and finding out that we're not out of compliance? And I actually requested to be on this committee because um I am concerned about the false information and that this has just been going on and on and on. We're not out of

compliance. Everything's fine. Um and we're still going to work on our referral process. So, I would work on this committee. I asked to be on it before. Um, >> this is I'd like to speak now. >> Go ahead. >> All right. I want to address a serious governance concern that has been brought to my attention by a parent eyewitness

and to do so and and to be honest too and to do so squarely within the norms and protocols of this board. This board has unanimously adopted our 202526 governance handbook. Pages 11 through 14 of that handbook sets forth an shared expectations for professional behavior, role, discipline, trust, and accountability. Not only during those meetings, but in how we conduct

ourselves with students, parents, staff, community at large. Those norms require us to operate within respective roles, avoid politics and personal agendas, maintain public trust, model dignified, responsible governance. They emphasize that an individual board members do not act independently of the board. That our conduct must never undermine the integrity or stability of the governance team. According to the written account

submitted, a sitting board member met privately with a minor student in a public setting without a parent or administrator present and engaged in an extended political and governance related discussion. That discussion allegedly includes included encouragement of student protests, activity, commentary on other elected board members by name, myself, Dr. Anderson and Mrs. Wearsma and partisan characterizations of how board members

were elected. The parent reports and I quote, "Email then said something along the line of once you do one protest, it becomes addictive and you want to do more." Let me be very clear why this is concerning. While board members do not supervise students in the classroom, we are still elected officials operating within the public school governance

system. One-on-one interactions with minor students, particularly when those conversations involve protests, board politics, or criticisms of ever the trustees, raise serious concerns about judgment. My my concerns against you. I have now a moral judgment against you, Mr. Barham, for your behavior. You are a professional. You are not acting like one. And I'm going to set the boundaries

in the appearance of impropriy. And I'll speak and I'll finish this on my next round. I don't really care if you think it was professional or not. I had permission from his parents. We're friends. As far as I as far as I'm concerned, that student, he's a constituent. He's going to be voting in one year. He's we we we met for educational and

career guidance. And we did talk about the protests. We did talk about it. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that in my book. There's nothing wrong with it because they have a right to protest. They have a right. They they Excuse me. They >> Dr. Anderson, let them finish. >> Yeah. They They have a voice. They want

to use their voice. And I am all about that. They are old enough. They started this movement three months ago. And the reason that they're out there on the streets is because of you. Because you said that their voice did not matter. and that they were minors. And quite frankly, that ticked them off. So if you want to blame anybody for the

protests, blame yourself because you started this. >> That's right. >> You did this. [applause] Yeah. And there was nothing there. I'm still going. There was nothing inappropriate that went on there. And you know it. All of you know it. And you know what? At 8:45 on Thursday, I meet in Mission Viejo with my lawyer. And this is going

to be added to it. [applause] >> Let's move on. >> Good. Mrs. uh Dr. Anderson, I think you had a comment first and I have my second round. So, we're on second rounds. You're done. >> Well, actually, I I would like to go back to the drug committee because that's what I was talking about and that I originally asked to be on it and we

can revisit because I agendaized um school site visits. People don't know I've actually been fighting for um boundaries between board members and students and that will be addressed number four um under information and reports. And I would like to go back to um talking about the drug committee just because I did request to be on it originally. And um can we just go back

there and and Jen's original motion and not talk about >> We are on a motion and a second to remove Mr. Barham from the drug subcommittee and to add you. We have a motion in a second. We are talking about that. >> Okay. >> We are taking We are talking about that. >> You were interrupting. Thank you. And

Dr. Anderson. So that's what we're on right That's why I just wanted to say like I I just want to go back to that topic about I I do want to be on that subcommittee. I originally asked to be on that subcommittee specifically and I was concerned because false information. A p a member of the community keeps

saying we're out of compliance. I think they're using scare tactics. We're not out of compliance. The students are still using this. I challenge anyone uh even the students that spoke saying we're 100 we've got a 100% success rate. I looked it up through the county. All of that is false information. I've verified it with the district. Um, so I

want to I I just want to like be on the committee so that we can actually um bring truth to it and that's it. Like I I don't know. So that's I'm going to just say like consider it. >> Dr. Thank you, Mrs. Worma. If you're not ready, I'll finish my second round. All right, I'm going to

finish my second round. I would encourage you, Mr. Barham, to look at pages 11 through 14 on setting a positive governance culture and that's anything that you that's couldn't be farthest from the truth. Uh, excuse me. Thank you. >> Point of you do not have the floor, Mr. Schwarz, and I am talking >> [laughter] >> Can I have my time can I have my time

reset? Uh due due to the unprofessional conduct of Mr. Schwarz on full display. Thank you. >> While board members do not supervise students in the classroom, we are still elected officials operating within the public school governance system. One-on-one interactions with minor students, particularly those uh those conversations involve protest, board politics, or other criticisms of other trustees, raise serious concerns about

judgment, boundaries, and appearance of impropriy. Regardless of intent, such interactions risk placing students in inappropriate positions, undermining trust, public trust, and exposing the dis uh district to governance and liability risks that are entirely unavoidable. Our handbook calls on us to focus on what is best for students to avoid politicalization and to respect the collective responsibility of this

body. Encouraging or influencing student political action established outside established transparent and supervised channels is not consistent with those commitments that you made. You signed that governing handbook. This is not about silencing students. Student voice is important and it is valued. But there is a clear and necessary distinction between listening and influencing and between public engagement and private

encouragement. As board president, I take these concerns seriously. I expect all trustees, including myself, to exercise sound judgment, respect appropriate boundaries, and adhere to our governance norms in both letter and spirit. Doing so is essential to maintaining the trust of our community and the integrity of this board. This statement is not about intent or ideology. It is about conduct

boundaries and the standards we have agreed to govern by. We have signed that governance handbook. I don't think Mr. Barham you respect anyone at all or even the law and then you come around threatening to sue. That is what you do and that's fine. You are what I call a boundary resistant person. So let me just tell you I don't care

what you do. I'm going to do something and that is motioning and second to removing you from the subcommittee due to your unprofessional behavior on and off the deis. I don't trust working with you and I'm pretty sure a couple other trustees don't appreciate working with you. [applause] >> So now we can go to vote unless Mrs.

>> I need I need my second round. >> So we already have a motion in a second. Len, would you please call? >> I need my second round. I didn't get it. >> Oh, Mr. Schwarz, second round. Last comment, then we're going to go to vote. I look forward to um the student and the parent who are

involved in the situation to their comments and all of you will hear what they have to say and then we'll see who's telling the truth and who's snitching on who making false accusations. That's all. >> Visits to school would be a good place to do that because I actually addressed the parents at that time. Len, would you

please call roll? >> Wearsma. >> Yes. Anderson. >> Yes. Barham. >> Schwarz. >> I'm sorry. What is the I'm sorry. Could you >> The motion is to remove Mr. Barham from the drug awareness subcommittee and to add Dr. Anderson. >> No. >> Kamroski. >> Yes. >> Student vote. >> Motion adopted. Three to two. [applause] Okay. Anything else in number nine

before we move on? Number 10, we are on the speaking order and I'll let Len Oh, we have four comments so we will take those up. >> Okay. First up is Jack Callahan followed by Nathan Barry. And before we address these uh public comments, let me just be clear. Uh give me one second, Jack. We are at that time

in the meeting. Sorry. We're at that time in the meeting where I have to call upon the board to ask us if we're going to continue. This is something that is just a formality. So please excuse me. At approximately 9:30, which it is 9:33, the governing board will determine which of the remaining agenda items can be considered and acted upon before 10 p.m.

and may continue all other items on which additional time is required until a future meeting. All meetings are scheduled to end at 10 p.m. This is now where I ask the board consensus. Do we want to continue? Eliminate any other items, push them to the next meeting, tableabling them. I say finish out the meeting. I say that

I think that I'm suspicious that board members tried to make this go long to like derail and sabotage the meeting. So, I think we should cancel. I think we should push everything out to the next meeting. I I just don't know why it's I mean students schools financial responsibility. We're just going on speaking order. It has nothing to do

with students schools financial responsibility. >> Okay. So, the one thing we can't push off is LCAP. That's the one thing that remains. Can we do have to hear LCAP? >> Can we push everything but LCAP off? >> I I just think like you got to learn how to get it. >> Jack, if you want to take a seat for a

second while we sort this out, we'll get you. Yeah, >> like we got to get our stuff together and not spend an hour and a half on subcommittees. And I mean, we've got stuff like Grock AI on here. What? I I'm just like, >> why don't we pull that already? >> Thank goodness. Thank goodness. Thank you. Thank you. Because it Like

>> I say we do LCAP and then bring everything back and that will force us as a board to get our act together and start getting through these agendas. >> Excuse me. Can you keep it down? We're trying to conduct business. Thank you. Okay. Dr. Anderson wants to keep LCAP. So let me >> No, no, we have to hear public comments.

So information reports. I'm for keeping LCAP and the student uh bylaw >> and trying to find it >> there it is. So I'm for keeping um number two specifically in there there's a student bylaw and the LCOP All right, then. Maybe we power through. Any other board members want to weigh in? I'm I'm up for powering through

then. >> Say it again. >> Powering through the agenda. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. We're moving on. >> Um, speaking order. Mr. Schwarz, you have minutes to present. >> It's very simple. I I brought this. >> Oh, sorry. I'm sorry, Jack. You're welcome. We got to hear the public comments. There you go. >> All right. Sorry.

>> Speaking order. >> Everything all good right now? >> Go, Jack. >> All right. Perfect. So, second time speaking tonight, and I feel like as a student, my voice here should probably matter the most. Um, I I still have another one coming up, so don't worry. I'm going to address some comments later. But um when it comes to this, I

understand that there were concerns about logistics and everything like that when it came to organizing how uh speakers would come up. Well, quite simply back there, they already added something that helps solve that. They have a different form for students that immediately allows students to go straight to the front of the line when it comes to discussing these topics. And

I mean, you are all highly qualified individuals. I am sure you can find some way to prioritize speakers. Like I feel like this is being dramatized as something that's way more difficult than it truly actually is. >> If you want actual like advice from us, I mean, we're open to having a meeting with any of you. I mean, I know you guys

were kind of clowning on the personal meeting, but at the same time, I'd be fine with having a meeting with any of you because when it comes down to it, we're here to voice the students opinion and we're here to actually benefit students. If it means that we have to go and meet with you on how to we're going

to go and speak out at these meetings, that's fine. But talk to us like actually reach out to us. I've reached out to Dr. Kamaroski and you did refer us to the drug awareness committee. Then nothing came of that. Like I want something out of anybody. Please actually give the students a chance to represent our voices. Like allow us to speak first at these

board meetings because guess what? All these policies that you enact directly affect our education. My K through2 education is going to direct the rest of my life for the most part. This is how I get into college. This is how I get into my career. So, let me have at least a tiny say on what happens with my education at this level.

I mean, I'm nearly a grown adult at this point anyways. I understand when it comes to the middle schoolers or elementary schoolers, there needs to be a governing board. But, I mean, let us who are willing to work with you, actually work with you. Come out, talk to us. We're happy to please. I'm like pleading with you guys. Let us speak.

Let us speak first here because we're the ones that are influenced by these decisions. Reach out to us. Get our opinions because these policies, I've said it time and time again now, these policies affect us. If you want to know whether or not the students think this will be a positive for us, ask. We're more than welcome to answer those

questions for you. Thank you for your time, Jack. [applause] Thank you, Jack. Next up is Nathan, followed by Rick. Jack, I'm going to set up a meeting with me, you and the superintendent, take you up on the offer. >> Uh, all right. Good evening, board members and district staff. Uh, I'm here to advocate for this policy and express

my support. Um, this policy would prioritize students, staff, and parents over outside voices and community members that may not necessarily be stakeholders. Students are the porter in every district decision. I do believe the community members and others may provide valuable insight and information to the district, but the speaking order should be in favor of those directly impacted by the decisions that the

schoolboard makes. At the last meeting, there was criticism from one community member as they believe this infringed on the First Amendment. While I understand this concern, I believe is important to understand that this does not prevent anyone from speaking and rather changes the order to prioritize individuals who are most affected by policies on the board such as students and staff. This

policy would prove to benefit the stakeholders in this district. It gives students, staff, and parents stronger priority and consideration when speaking. Thank you for your time and consideration. [applause] >> Thank you. >> Next up is Rick Reese, followed by Jennifer San Nicholas. >> Good evening, board. Uh, last time I was here, I expressed my concerns about this

policy. Those haven't changed at all. Um, I think that as a resident look looking at how this is done, prioritizing students first, parents second, district employees third, residents. I'm a resident. I've lived here 25 years. My kids graduated out out of the district 10, 15 years ago. But I'm still here. Look, I'm still a taxpayer. I know some

people talked about, you know, I'd like to hear that tax bill. We're taxpayers. There's my tax bill. You know, still paying taxes. Um and then after after resident is non-resident, how is it that, you know, um we're all supposed to be treated equally, >> yet I see a policy here that relegates me to next to last. I don't think that's

right. I don't think that's right at all. I mention I mentioned last time when I was here uh out of Orwell, this is kind of Orwell in >> all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. Um I would say this. I I th this policy if it passes what it tells me as a taxpaying resident

and and a voter. I voted for what one of you is my representative up there on the board. What it's telling me is essentially you're just telling me to just pay your taxes, >> sit down, shut up, and maybe we'll get to you. That's not good enough. >> I'm a stakeholder, too, unfortunately. Unless you want to refund my taxes, give

me back my taxes, and I won't bother to show up here anymore. I'll leave you guys alone. But if you're going to keep taking my taxes, I got every right in the world to come up here and speak. And we should all be treated equally. That's the 14th amendment. Just please vote. This is not the way to

do this. Just treat us all equally. Thank you. [applause] >> Last speaker, Jennifer San Nicholas. So, when I saw this on the agenda, I was remembering um a time about three years ago when it would be really crazy here and we had to camp out all day um to even get a number uh low enough so that

we would get a chance to speak during public comments. For those of us who had to pick up our kids or especially those of us who had special needs kids who we had to physically be present 15 minutes before school got out, walk up and physically take our kids by the hand and then to the car. It's different than any

other pickup. Um, we couldn't be here to get those numbers. I mean, I'd be lucky if I got under a hundred. And so, my name was rarely called um to speak in public comments. And it's never great when, you know, some guy from Redlands or Chino or whatever who's like in the Proud Boys wearing his Proud Boys shirt and his

Proud Boys colors gets to speak, but I, as a parent in Tmacula, don't get a chance to speak at the TmAcula schoolboard meeting. Um, I would try to speak on individual action items, but these meetings would run so late due to so many out of town public commenters at the beginning of the meetings. I would leave at 10

o'clock and I would still not get called to speak because you hadn't gotten to those action items yet. Now, attendance is sparer now, so it's not going to be as um crazy as it or as punitive as uh it was made to sound by the previous speaker. But I think it is important to prioritize stakeholders, especially over

anybody from out of town. Um, if we need to make it residents versus non-residents, whatever. But I think it would be be best to have us um, if we have to limit number of speakers or a time limit, wouldn't it be better that it's Tmacula residents and not someone from say Florida? >> Thank you. Okay, we're done. We do have, you know,

Steve, if you want to present for three minutes, you can. >> I don't know if it'll take three minutes, but um I just want to um read bylaw 9200, limits of board members. U the board of trustees recognizes that the board is the unit of authority over the district, that a board member has no individual authority. Board members shall hold the

education of students. Board members shall hold the education of students above any partisan principal, group interest, or personal interest. The purpose of this policy is to prioritize students, parents, employees, residents, and non-residents. No one is being denied the right to speak. That's a false premise. Everyone will get a right to speak. The only thing is that we are I am prioritizing

students because that is the priority of this board. Uh the prior my priority it's on my shirt. Yes, you could make fun of my shirt. That's okay. Students are number one and I am prioritizing them which is why they should speak first. >> Thank you, Mr. Schwarz. Would anybody else? And I And by the way, for clarity, at some point in this, I'm

going to hand out legal advice that Dr. Anderson, prior to my becoming board president, got regarding this motion, and I think she tried to share it with you. I am just the messenger handing this out to every board member. Who else wants to speak on this? >> Miss Wisma, >> can I just can I just say I had this

previously vetted and um there are >> Dr. Anderson first then. >> Oh, sorry. Thank you. Did you want to speak first? Um, this this is was vetted several months ago and I told Mr. Schwarz I would help him and work on it with him, but his reply was, "I'm not interested." >> Yes, I did. >> Okay. Well, I think that we should

consider >> Mr. Schwarz, can you let her >> Can I have my time back? >> Yeah, we'll give her >> No, I don't want my time back. I want to get through the meeting. This has been vetted by attorneys. I think we need to look at concerns that would bring us into a lawsuit. There's nothing wrong with looking at what they said and

trying to modify it so that we're more legally compliant. But right now, I'm voting no because your reply was I'm not interested in anything the attorneys >> attorney >> what the attorney what these two attorneys >> Mr. Schwarz, you're repeatedly interrupting a board. >> Anyways, you get the point. >> Okay, you get the point. It's been vetted and I would entertain this, but

we've got to consider the legal ramifications. So, that's all like I I said, I I'll I'll help you with it, but we got to consider the legal ramifications. >> All right, Mrs. W. >> Mr. Schwarz. >> Yes. >> Oh, you know what? I'm on the first round here. So, go ahead. >> But Mr. Barham, have you you want to

speak to this? >> Wait, Dr. K, can I speak on this? Mhm. >> Did you Did you want a copy of what the attorneys reviewed? >> Yeah, I gave it to her. Yeah, Melissa, you can go ahead. I'll go after you. >> Okay. Uh I generally support the goal of prioritizing speakers who are most directly connected to the district. You

all know how much I value student voice. Uh but that being said, I'd like to raise one consideration about how the priority structure might actually function in practice. If every speaker is able to be heard during comments, then I think that the specific order in which people speak might not meaningfully elevate district voices in the way that uh this policy might

intend. I know that I learned about this in AP psychology, but there's also the possibility of a serial position cognitive bias where speakers first or last in an order receive more attention just because of the timing rather than their actual connection to the issue or the weight of what they're talking about. So in that scenario, the priority

order alone might not actually change whose input uh carries the most weight. However, where I believe that this structure could be useful is in situations where time is extremely limited or the board must cap the public comment period. In those cases, this kind of prioritization could act as a safeguard to ensure that the voices most directly connected to the district are

heard first. But as long as the board continues striving to allow everyone a chance to speak whenever possible, I think that this regulation would work best as a protective framework to fall back on. [applause] >> Thank you, Miss Chai. Okay, so my thought is I'm open to what the board's open to. I don't want to I mean I have

to assess this legal guidance. Um I have not handed it out till now. So this is my first time looking at it as well. I see a redundancy and and absolutely um and I'm glad to see this that right after recognition student comments are first a whole half an hour of them. So I see a redundancy in the prioritization

of the students at the end of the meeting under general comments going first when they literally are they have their own category for 30 minutes. that redundancy now could be further ironed out that they have that and let's just say at the end of the meeting when we um have public comments I think we've done this before if we so happened to have

had a student in there or two I'm pretty sure most of the board members always said let them go first that went without even saying so the board was automatically on board so I just want to point out the redundancy there but yeah I'm I'm open but then again there you know Now, now shifting away from the students going

first. There are people that literally get here early. Um, what is it? The early bird gets the worm kind of people. You know, they might be out in the parking lot an hour early just to get their comment in just to wait hours to be able to speak first. And that's it. It seems unfair to them as well. So, I'm I'm flexible with this.

I want to make sure we do it legally sound. Um but yeah, of course we already are prioritizing the students in the beginning of the meeting and we can do it even more so at the end in public comments. So that's just my thoughts as of now. >> So um yeah, but if we motion and second and vote this down it, um I would I

would just urge the board give it one more meeting to where we can all literally look at this one more time. Uh, do you want to vote on it, Mr. Schwarz? >> Yeah. Um, thank you. I I vetted this through CSBA. The reason I did not follow the attorney's orders. I'm sorry. Just because they are B board attorneys does

not mean they have their own personal point of view on certain issues. I pointed this out at the last meeting that one of our attorneys at CSBA stood up at a um a session to speak his personal opinion about an issue. And that's for me that disqualifies that person from giving me his opinion on this issue only because I

I don't want to characterize what he said, but I vetted this through CSBA. The only warning they gave me is you cannot force people to put down their address. So on the form where it says address, it should say optional. Other than that, we're not going to make people show their IDs to prove they're a resident or a community member or bring

their kids report card to show they're a parent. We're going to take the word of the people who come to meetings that they are honest and open. But again, I vetted this through CSBA. We pay them money to vet our policies and to tell us what they are, whether they're legal or not. So, as far as I'm concerned,

everyone can vote the way they want. I did my due diligence. I'm not interested in the comments that were made by the attorney only because they contradict what CSBA said and I go along with what they said. >> Thank you, Mr. Schwarz. So, uh, any other comments? And I'll go a second round. Mrs. Wesma, >> my comment is I actually liked what

Melissa shared. Uh, we don't always go with CSBA guidelines. Sometimes they're great. We anchor them in. Sometimes there's a bias. I do trust the attorney. We haven't been able to read through this. I don't think we need to pick winners and losers. We're always going to prioritize students. We have a union spotlight. Uh, I like falling back on

parameters should we need to, but at this point, I don't want to order things like this. So, I'm a no. >> Thank you. I'll do my second round. um what I just said, but let's just say we happen to have students and I and and part of me says, you know, students come in here late to these meetings. Um

you know, it's late in the night, but we do have students that stay up a lot. I get emails as a professor at, you know, 12:30. Professor, I need this question answered. And I'm just like, what in the world? I get up at 6 in the morning. I don't stay up late, but let's just so happen to say that students come here to

speak late. Like I said, the board at the drop of a dime could prioritize that. Uh I just don't see this being an issue. Other than that, I am not for prioritizing speakers um out of a different order than what they sign up in. That is the motivation to get here on time and to sign those cards.

Otherwise, you're going to breed laziness. People just show up whenever they want, just, you know, get priority. I I'm sorry. I I don't want to reward that. That's just my opinion. But the students, yeah, they'll be taken care of at the end of the meeting. And like I said, half an hour in the beginning. So that's it for me and I'm ready to take

this to vote unless there's any other comments. All right. Do we have a motion in a second to u vote this speaking order in? Agendaized by Steven Schwarz. >> Moved. Moved by Mr. Schwarz. >> Second. >> Seconded by Mr. Barham. Len, would you mind calling role? >> Sure. Isma, >> no. >> Anderson, no. >> Barham, >> yes. Shorts.

>> Yes. >> Kamaroski. >> Yes. Oh, sorry. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. The answer is no. The answer is no. The answer is no. Not adopted. Melissa, >> I'm I I have a question. When you're there in this meeting, Mr. Schwarz, where even you yourself are like, "Wait a minute. What was that? That just

happened. And that was a little what we call brain fart. My answer is no. And the motion is not adopted. But we have let's get the vote first and then we'll >> Did we get the vote? >> I will refrain from this one. >> Okay. Refrain. Thank you, Miss Chuck. All right. >> Let's move on. >> Okay.

One public comment on the next item, which is >> okay. >> Danger of Wait, that was removed. >> We removed it from >> We removed. >> Now we're on information reports. Could I just say what happened >> for what? Mr. Schwarz Gro that it was my >> it was my agenda. We can't we can't speak to it but you can on your board

comment shorts. All right. >> All right. So we're on information reports. The first item is number one 202526 TVSD midyear local control accountability LCAP and all cap budget overview for parents. >> Do we have um >> we have one speaker? >> We have one public comment. Nathan Barry. >> Good evening board members and district staff. As you all are planning for the

third year of ELPAC, I would like to speak to the importance of student representation in this program. LCAP directly impacts student life and seeks to close achievement gaps for but not limited to socioeconomically disadvantaged students, English learners, and foster youth. LCAP promises equity through practice, not just an intention. LCAP decisions affect students academic opportunities, mental health, and their overall experience at

school. Due to students being the direct stakeholder of this program, their perspectives should be taken into consideration through a formal advisory role to be more correctly represented. The data the district receives explains what is happening and provides crucial empirical evidence. However, students can provide explanations on why certain outcomes exist and elaborate on the reasoning behind statistics. Student

perspective would demonstrate how certain programs are perceived on campus, which which types of programs feel impactful and how to minimize existing gaps within our district. For these reasons, I suggest that the stu the student body should have a formal relationship through some sort of advisory role with the district to ensure that this program is on the right

track and actively supporting those who need it. Having this role would strengthen the accountability of the district and provide valuable insight into student outcomes. This role would provide a pathway for the student body to partner with the district and improve the outcomes of LCAP decisions. If the goal of LCAP is to reflect genuine student needs, a student voice in that

discussion is necessary to have an effective program, please reach out to us. We are willing to work with you guys. We want to work with you guys. Please. Thank you for your time and consideration. [applause] >> Thank you. >> I'll hand it over to Dr. BZ. >> I'm going to invite up at this time Miss Lisa Brown, our director of assessment

and accountability for our LCAP presentation. I would like to actually address um Nate, I would like to address there is CAP meetings that happen at each school site with student representatives. I will reach out to Miss Miller um in regards to your request and we'll make sure that you're invited to that. Okay. Okay. Len, am I Oh, never mind.

[laughter] Okay. So, um I'm here for the midyear LCAP report. Um we are required before February 28th to make all of our data available to the public as well as our midyear expenditures. So, you'll see on this slide there are three links. The first link is all of our data by subgroup um or by student group and the

second two are public released data portals. So CASP data is the first one and the dashboard data is the second. Anyone can look up this data. Um TVOSD student demographics. So, um, just like the last student speaker mentioned, LCAP is principally directed to our foster youth, our socioeconomically disadvantaged students, our ELELS, as well as additional actions are required

for long-term English learners, as well as schools or student groups who have performance indicators in the red as measured by the California dashboard. We currently, so this is last year's 2425 public data. We currently have about 5% of our students are EL learners. Less than 1% are foster youth or homeless. Um, socioeconomicly disadvantaged students are about 34% of our student

body and our students with disabilities is at 15%. Last year we had roughly uh 26,000 students in TVSD. So, it's really important to remember that we want our data to drive our actions and most importantly that our actions meet students where they're at and provide datadriven outcomes for student success. So, we look at our successes and our challenges. We look at

where our performance is and those opportunity gaps. We talk with our educational partners at a variety of committees. We set goals and actions and we use our LCAP dollars effectively to support students. So last year we had roughly just under $22 million in LCAP. Tonight we're going to take a look at our six goals written within our LCAP. We are in the last year

of the cycle. So this time next year we will be getting be beginning a ne a new three-year cycle for LCAP. Goal number one really takes a look at um our performance indicators in language arts as well as how our EEL learners are demonstrating um proficiency towards the English language. So tonight you're going to see um instead of presenting a

bunch of numbers to you, we went ahead and we looked at our baseline data for the 2022 23 school year and then how our current data is performing in reference to that data but in also in reference to the goal that we set for the three-year cycle. So if you look you'll see met progressing or declining. If it's met, we have met our three-year

goal in that peri performance indicator. If it's progressing, we are progressing from our baseline to that goal. And if it's a decline, unfortunately, we have declined slightly from our baseline data. So you can see in goal number one, we have met or are progressing towards a vast majority of our goals with the exception of grade 11 CASP data in ELA.

You can see that um all the actions and services are listed there for you including our intervention specialists, our literacy specialists at the elementary level, our ELA instructional coaches and specialists at the middle schools and high schools. um our instructional assistants, our public library homework center, which is a joint venture with the city, our L our EL coordinator, and our supplemental and

supplemental support specialists. And those two are generally general funded items. Goal number two is looking at mathematics and science and making progress towards um academic proficiency. So you can see that all of um that we met our academic standards as well. We are progressing in the areas of the California dashboard in the area of math. The California alternative

assessment in mathematics, those are special education students that take an alternative form of the assessment. Um the CAST assessment which is the science assessment. We did have a slight decline for the alternative science assessment for our special education group as well as our 11th grade math students. You can see that our expenditures and our actions are listed there including our

math specialist um our math and science instructional coaches, math progress monitoring as well as math code teaching. Some of these are the last one, math code teaching is funded with um the learning recovery emergency block grant which is part of LCAP now but a separate funding item. Goal number three really looks at our graduation rate and keeping it higher

than uh 93% and our college and career indicators. So when you look at the actions that are directed towards this goal, you're going to see that they are primarily middle school and high school actions um as that is where our all of all of our college and career indicators lie. So, we have met a vast majority of

our goals um as it relates to this particular goal, including our graduation rate, our college career indicators, our A throughG, our um A throughG and CTE course percentage, as well as the number of students that have passed the AP exam with a three or higher. You'll see that again the same metric for 11th grade ELA and 11th grade

math is on this this metric you would have seen in goal number one and goal number two. Goal number four really looks at decreasing um the number of red indicators on the dashboard both for schools and student groups. And so this is really in offering um professional development at the district and site level and providing equipping our

leadership to develop a diverse need of support for our students at the school site. So a lot of the goals and actions or a lot of the actions and services in this particular goal are primarily directed towards professional development, the supplies and materials to do that that professional development as well as some of the support staff and

the site allocations principally directed to the strategic plans at the school site which address the specific student groups that may may or may not be making progress at the school. So you can see that um many of our indicators in this particular area have been met or are making progress. Goal number five is really looking at decreasing student chronic absenteeism

and increasing student connectedness by providing a system of support to respond to the diverse needs of social emotional learning amongst our students. So you can see we met our attendance rate. We're closing the gap with our chronic absenteeism. We've met our dropout rates. Our high school graduation rate is above our goal that we set for ourselves. Our

suspension rate and expulsion rate is um below the goal that we set for ourselves. And the climate survey for students, parents, and staff is progressing towards our goal. Um you'll see in here that the vast majority of the actions and services are related to social emotional support, our homeless and foster youth support as well as our tier 2 behavior assistance and PBIS OCR

support at the high school as well as our five-star app which our middle school and high schools use um as a reward system but also in supporting students on campus. The last goal tonight is goal number six, which is looking at increasing educational partner engagement and reaching out to educational partners. So, you can see that we met our goal for

the self-reflection tool as it relates to parent and family engagement survey. Uh, and we are progressing in the areas of climate and engagement for students and parents. We did have a slight decline from baseline for staff. And in our actions and services, we have our district translators, our bilingual clerk, as well as our software programs that allow us to complete the survey,

but also um house our student data for teachers and counselors, as well as K12 insight, which allows parents and students to like submit a help ticket or if they have a concern, submit something anonymous anonymously or uh get help from any district staff member. So, let's talk about the timeline. So, we're in February, February, March, and April.

We will be sending a survey to all parents um as it relates to our actions and services. This is something we do every single year. We'll send it districtwide several times. But our committees at our site levels will and our district level will also be gathering feedback. So, this is where Dr. talked about our CAT meetings at the

middle school and high school. Um, our CAT meetings are required to have student representation at those meetings. And so at our community advisory partnership meetings, our school site council meetings, our ELAC meetings, our DAC meetings, we are presenting this same presentation um and getting feedback from parents and stakeholders on the LCAP. In April and May, we'll be compiling all

of that into the template for the LCAP. We will send it to review at RCOE for compliance purposes. We'll be working with Mrs. Lash and her team on finalizing the budget as we head into late May, early June. And we'll be bring we will be making the LCAP public for public review prior to the public hearing and we'll bring it back to the

board for adoption. With that said, if there's any questions, I know that that was a brief overview tonight, but happy to answer any questions you might have. >> Thank you, Mr. Brown, Mr. Schwarz. No, just the um the ELA and math uh for for 11. I I assume that you guys are working on correcting them. >> Yeah. So that's part of the high school

strategic plans really looking at what student groups may have potentially led to the decline, but also there's some nuances to that 11th grade year in the sense that it is a new group of student every single year. And so there's a lot of variance in the data depending on the group of students, but also 11th grade for a lot of students is a very tough

year. they're up against AP and IB testing as well. So, there's a lot going on in a very short amount of time that also plays into I believe the data >> and and the math test that they get in 11th grade is cumulative. It's not just 11th grade math which and they haven't done some of the things that are on that

test for quite a while. depending on what math they're in in 11th grade, they may or may not have seen that particular strand of math in in a in a year or so, >> right? Yeah. Thank you. >> Any other board comments, Miss Worman? >> So, as I was looking through the numbers, I was observing a couple

things. First of all, thank you for your presentation. Um, is it true that TBUSD receives about 20 million specifically for foster youth, English learners, lowincome students? Is it about that amount? And what would you say within that group goes to one-on-one tutoring? Um, more of that people capital versus programming or the technology. I was trying to look at different districts.

Chooa Vista, LA came up seeing how they closed the gap. And we know for foster youth, for example, they're transient. they might have different homes and move and so it's trying to figure out what can we do with the monies to move the needle even further. What can you comment about that? I know we have counselors but how many do we have a

hundred youth and only two counselors or where do you see we could go? >> So um we roughly got just under 22 million last year um for LCAP in general. So the vast majority of our LCAP is people capital, it is extra counselors, it is teachers, it is um coaches. So the vast majority of our LCAP is just that. It is direct

instruction to students or direct support to students. specifically as it relates to foster youth. We're the only district in the county that took part in a program through RCOE that got our foster youth individual iPads that they get to take with them. So foster youth often move from district to district. So, they actually get to take this iPad

with them that is has special apps on them, including Con Academy and others that is specifically for one-on-one tutoring for that student group. Um, and they don't have to return that if they leave TBUSD. They get to take it with them wherever they go. And so really that program has been I believe within the last like two years. and um

SWS has been spearheading that and so we've been really fortunate to have that capability. As far as one-on-one tutoring goes, one-on-one tutoring has really been left to site discretion through their strategic plans as well as um the input that they get at their cap meetings. So that would be their site allocation funds or goal number four. and it really looks at which student

groups are underperforming, which ones are in the red, and how do we best serve them? But all the research really shows that the best way to serve kids is by impacting first instruction. So kudos to our teachers that are in the classroom every single day, to the support staff that's in the classroom every single day, because when you see all of those

progressings or all of those mets, it's really about the first instruction or the tier 2 support that's happening on campus every single day. >> All right. So Oh, sorry. >> Okay. So we'll do Dr. Anderson, Mr. Barham, and I don't have any comments than Miss Chai. So we'll get the order going. Yeah. And Dr. Anderson doesn't have any comments either. Dr. Velz,

>> I just um that Miss Brown talked about um we are entering our third year of the LCAP. When we developed the LCAP plan two years ago, as Lisa has stated, it is all based on surveys and collaboration. I think one thing that I I've said over and over which I think is really important is the fact that when we

developed this new LCAP two years ago, it was unlike any LCAP we've ever developed because it is more strategic than it's ever been to really focus on student populations. And I have to say some of the results that we're seeing with some of our special populations, we're moving the needle for those kids. And so I want to reiterate kind of what

Lisa was saying. Thanks to our teachers in the classroom who are helping really move the needle for kids as well as our administrators. >> Thank you Dr. Veles. Mr. Barm, do you have any comments? Okay. Uh and thank you Miss Brown for the presentation. Miss Chai. >> Um again, thank you Miss Brown for the great presentation. But I'd love to hear

a little bit more about how our district compares to other high performing districts like Powe um in areas like student achievement. Are there any specific strategies or programs that other districts with similar demographics to ours have implemented that we might learn from or adapt to better support our students and close any gaps? >> So, it's an interesting question. So, I

mean, we always love to compare ourselves, right? I I'm a competitive person by nature and I want to be the best at everything that I do. Um when you're looking at comparing one district to another, it's important to compare similar demographics. And so when you talk with when you look at certain school districts, they may not have the same demographics that you do.

Um, for instance, we are one of we get the smallest amount of LCAP funding in Riverside County. And the reason for that being is we have the smallest percentage of unduplicated student groups. So those student groups that we talked about. So you would want to compare us to a similar demographic of unduplicated student groups. So when you look at a district like Powe for

example, they actually have a lower number of socioeconomically disadvantaged students, I believe their um e population is roughly the same. I'm not quite sure about their foster youth. Um when you compare us to other districts in Riverside County, we still outperform all other districts. when you compare us to other districts in Orange County or San Diego County, there's

definitely highlights in those counties that we can learn from. And I think one of the things that we're always doing is reaching out to those neighboring districts and seeing what best practices they might have and then what me best practices we might have that we can exchange. And so that's always something that we're willing to do and that we

reach out on a regular basis. >> Thank you. I think that's it. All right. Thank you. [applause] Okay. On this next uh information reports, uh demand secure and correct cease and desist letters. Um motion by Schwarz and seconded by Dr. Anderson to approve the revised stipulated language for case number CVs W2306224. The vote was 5-0. Oh. >> Oh,

yeah. Sorry. Let me back up. Let me back up to number two. I first reading of the new amended board uh policies, administrative regulations, and board bylaws. Yes, it is late. Okay. So, this is just a first read. So, to expedite this with the board, I would say that instead of going detail what you what you want to change. Just let us

know if if you want to work on something briefly and then put it all in writing and send it to the superintendent. Otherwise, because there's a lot right here and I don't have anything to add to it right now. Um, but if the board would be so inclined to save time, maybe give a shout out on which ones you are wanting to work on or

if any, but this is only a first read. Uh, excuse me. Uh Dr. Visles was I'll let you. Yeah, Dr. Veles. >> Yeah, to reiterate um I think for the sake of time, I think what Dr. Karaskki is suggesting is that the board review all of these which we will give you time to do, provide any edits or changes that

you can submit to me via email on any of these documents and we will bring we will incorporate those, bring them back for a second read and I think it's important for us to all know it still can come back for a third read. So um just to reiterate what you were saying Mr. Bar good. >> Oh,

>> I think you could color code us as you if we get multiple. Give us color codes and we'll have a >> Okay. And Dr. >> Okay. And Dr. um BZ, you just said pull 9150 student board members because that's the one we're going to be looking at right now. Yeah. So, we're gonna pull this one because you're going to see it

in information reports. Um Oh, that's the one we're gonna be talking about right now. Yeah, >> there you go. So, um yeah, Dr. um Miss Chai and myself worked on this and I would give you the honors if you want to speak first or I can go first, but give you the honors. Yep. >> Thank you. Um yeah, so I just wanted to

talk a little bit about um this bylaw. So after serving in this position for the past few months and with the application for next year's student board member coming up soon, we wanted to make sure that the roles and responsibilities of the student board member are clearly written out and understood. And because this p uh this position is brand new, a lot of this

year involved learning together and figuring out what this role should look like in real time. So everything that I've done in this position has been a first. So there naturally have been different ideas and approaches along the way. And um as Dr. Kowski mentioned, I met with him and Dr. Bles to talk through those questions and come to a

shared understanding of what makes the most sense moving forward. Most of the language in this bylaw comes directly from CSBA and aligns closely with what I've already been doing in my role. There are a few specific changes I'd like to highlight. Uh first under choosing student board members on that first page um the position is now limited to high school seniors rather

than juniors and seniors. And this change comes directly from my own experience. As a current senior I clearly remember who I was as a junior and I can honestly say that the growth that happens between sophomore, junior, and senior year is significant. Sitting up here is not always easy. And even as someone who has always kind of been

academically successful and involved, I don't think that I would have been fully prepared for this role earlier in high school. Teenagers grow and change rapidly, and I truly believe that completing three4s of high school provides some important perspective and maturity that would help someone succeed more in this position. Additionally, many students who are interested in this role are highly involved and

academically driven and are likely thinking about four-year colleges. Um, as Miss Brown mentioned earlier in her presentation, junior year is one of the most demanding years with heavier coursework, increased extracurricular commitments, and college planning. So, I don't think that it's fair to expect a junior to balance all of that while also taking on the responsibilities of being

a student board member. Seniors having completed the high school experience are better positioned to manage the workload and to represent students across the district with a fuller understanding of what that experience looks like. The second change I'd like to highlight is on page two where language was added stating that the outgoing student board member should make reasonable efforts to

train the incoming student board member. This is something that I intended to do regardless, but I feel that I felt that it was important to include it formally. As the first person in this position, I know how challenging it is to step into a role with no road map and I would never want the next student board member

to have to start from square one if I'm able to help. Through my CSBA training, I was also encouraged to create an onboarding document and a collection of resources, which I uh plan to do so so that the f future student board members have consistent guidance beyond just my term. Um, and finally, at the bottom of page two, the wording was changed from

chosen or appointed to elected. And while this might seem like a small change, I think it's an important clarification. Student board members are elected by high school students, not appointed by the board, superintendent, or administration. I've seen some confusion about this, which is understandable since different districts do it differently, but in our district, student me board members are voted in by

students. Student board members um are elected representatives and should be recognized as such. That's all [applause] >> perfect, perfect timing on that three minutes. Um I need three minutes just to get out a couple sentences. It's getting late for me. Um, so it was a pleasure working with you, Miss Chai and uh, Dr. VeZ. And I'll just I have very short points to

make. We definitely agreed unanimously pretty quickly on senior versus junior and the um, the experience and the wisdom um, and the and you know just the the growth that you would have from one grade to the next. So that was one of the things that stood out to me. Um, but yeah, this policy was shaped through the

direct collaboration of all three of us. Um, I appreciated your feedback and your collaborative spirit. Um, we approach this as a team with a shared goal of strengthening how student voice shows up in our governance. Um, our intent was to empower student voice also while making sure it align with the law and best governance practice. So, we're we're

ironing this out. You know, it's a first run for our board, but pleasure to work with you. And I hand it over to Dr. VeZ if you have anything to add. >> I don't know if she mentioned GPA. Did you mention that real quick? Okay. Yeah, we were supposed to make sure that got >> Yeah. Did you want to add that? Do you

want to add that additional thought into the board policy or into the board bylaw in regards to the GPA requirement? >> Was it that originally like it wasn't specified or did we raise >> I don't think so. >> I don't remember exactly. >> It wasn't specified before, but I know you really had >> I think I said what like 3.0.

>> That's exactly what you said. >> Yeah, there we go. [laughter] Okay. >> So, we'll have Len add that into the notes of a minimum grade point 3.0. I was Yeah. Good. Any other board members? >> No. First >> read. Sorry, Mr. Bar. Yeah, >> no worries. Um I would like added to this the spec uh you know Melissa or any

or any future board member is allowed to it says question witnesses. Hopefully we never get to that point. um and to participate in discussions. And I would like there to be something a little more specific in there that she is afforded if she wants to take it. Um the the debate time that is afforded to us as a regular board member. So, um, if

she is to be seated like a regular board member, then she should be afforded the debate time of a of of a regular board member. And that is for the future because I mean Melissa, this is February, so March, April, May, she's finished. So, there's going to be another board member and I want to make sure that that student board member is

protected in terms of the specific debate time that he or she who is ever elected can be afforded. So, I want this to be tightened up. So, that's that's where I'm at. >> Okay. And just a point of clarity, too. So, yeah. And and that could be be brought be brought back next session. Um, and we did inform her she could

engage on every single item. there was just four that she wanted to and to expedite she let us know. So she she was afforded that opportunity on every one of those. So that was clearly made. Um but yeah, point taken. Uh Mr. Schwarz, I would just like to say I was part of the committee that worked on the uh

drafting of the resolution for student board member and I am extremely glad at the results that we had. Melissa, you are an amazing amazing excuse me young woman. I know you're destined for greatness past what you're doing here, but um I know how proud your parents are of you. And I'm proud of you also because you stood up and you stood

for your fellow students, which is why you were elected. >> I would like to speak. Uh, Miss Horseman, >> Melissa, you have done a great job. I would love to see maybe a photograph of you somewhere in the office. I know our pictures are up and it's a big deal to be the first. So, I want to congratulate

you on that. I do have a differing opinion with Mr. Barham on debate and it's because Mr. Schwarz and I did discuss this within the committee. Um, we value you and I love that you give us your one, two minute synopsis. I think that's important. You get into some difficult waters when you have a student who might be a minor debating an adult

and it makes it awkward and you don't want a board member in that position nor a student. There should be a respected relationship without it being completely equal on that level. So I think we still have to hammer that out and that's really important. I do like the fact that you've been able to vote that you've been able to make your decisions.

So this is all good and um there was One other thing that I wanted to mention. Oh, I think that the board, we need to have parameters for us. And I don't think that you should ever meet with a trustee alone. If it's on a campus, that's one thing. I think the superintendent needs to facilitate. We really shouldn't be commenting on your

social media. If we send an email, it should go through the district and have the superintendent on it. I think those are safeguards for you, for future board members, because we have to do it right. And I hate to say this, but there are adults who would want to take advantage of certain situations. And I say that

from any side. So, we've got to talk through this, but you've done a brilliant job. Thank you for um all that you've committed to this point. >> Thank you, Miss Horseman, Dr. Anderson. >> Um I just want to say working with you as the board president, she's done an excellent job. And I do want to say you've always included other people in

emails. She made a phone call to me on Miss Deis's phone. We've been very good um at having professional boundaries as a board president and student. I got to meet her sister and her mom. Um so I know other school board I'm just going to say like Melissa, you've done an excellent job. Um I've always felt like the relationship was

professional. Um, so I I want to put that out there if there's any question. Um, there was even a text that was with your mom. I was like, I need your mom on this. So, um, you've done an excellent job. The last thing I want to say is I'm going to support this is your policy. So, when it

comes back for a next read, I'm going to support you on the amendments. I believe that Dr. VeZ and Dr. Kamaroski and you have done an excellent job. So any changes I'm going to be looking over at you to ask what you think. I'm I I do think this is people were questioning and I do think the three of you did a

really good job. So I'm just going to trust you guys. >> Thank you, Dr. Anderson. All right. Thank you. Um okay, so we are moving on to what I jumped the gun on that last time is number three. We demand secure and correct cease and desist letters. Do we have any comments on this before I Okay, good. I'll just

report out again officially mentioned by uh motion by uh Mr. Schwarz and seconded by Dr. Anderson to approve the revised stipulated language for case number CBS W2306224. The vote was 50. If there's no other discussion, we can move on with this. All right, we're moving on. Last on information reports amendment to the board bylaw 9241 visits uh to

schools. This was agendaized by Dr. Anderson. So I can let her have the floor for three minutes as she's the presenter. >> We have four >> unless there's public comments. >> Yep. We have four >> four. Okay. >> First up is Drew Davis followed by Lindsay. And >> I'm simply going to hand out forms while this first speaker talk.

Thank you for letting me come forward and speak. Dr. Anderson, I read over this today and when I read over it, I was quite pleased with some things that I saw in it. I liked that you wanted to give the teachers and the students and the staff the opportunity to know when that board members would be coming to

the school for two reasons. One, it's important that the board members go to the schools so that they can see the students and the teachers and their places. Also, having that heads up beforehand, it allows the students and the teachers to be able to prepare something so that you as the board members know what they need. The

teachers have many needs and if they know that you're coming, they have a way to present that to you while that you're there. We've seen tonight in many different ways the students need to know that you're coming. We've talked in different ways about how students should and should not speak with the board members. Well, as we're trying to say

what they can't do, we need to create a structure that they can do. We need to create a structure that the students can talk to the board members because if you don't hear their voices, all of this is a waste of time. So within this writing, you have presented a way to create a structure that the teachers and the students can

be prepared because they know this leader is coming to their school and hopefully that you go there not just to be seen. By preparing the teachers that you're coming, the teachers will have an opportunity to talk about the stressors that exist within their classrooms. The teachers aids can speak to you about why that they're important. They can talk to

you about educational devices, tablets, iPads, what have you, that their students specifically need. And none of that can happen without participation. But for me tonight, hearing all of the student voices this evening, the greatest thing it could allow the students to know this important person is going to be at my school and I can share with them why I'm worried, why I'm

concerned, and it empowers their voice to speak to you all directly to share this is what I need. Thank you for letting me share that [applause] you. >> Okay, next speaker is Lindsay followed by David Sola. I want to be very clear tonight. This item is not about governance clarity and it is not about improving process. It is

about overreach, targeting and a fundamental breakdown in roles and accountability. This agenda item was placed before the board by Dr. Melinda Anderson in her role as board clerk. Yet, the rationale clearly states up there on the screen that this relies on vague statements about quote unquote recent circumstances that may have occurred and plainly implies misconduct by a specific board member without

facts, without dates, without findings, without documentation, and without due process. That is deeply troubling. Let me also say Dr. Dr. Melinda Anderson does not have the authority to investigate, characterize, or advance allegations explicit or implied against an elected trustee. The board's clerk's role is procedural. It is not investigative. It is not disciplinary. It is not a policymaking role, and it is

certainly not a position from which to single out a board member through insinuation embedded in agenda language. What has occurred here is not neutral governance. It is administrative overreach and it creates the unmistakable appearance of targeting a specific board member rather than addressing a legitimate governance concern. If there were a genuine operational issue related to school site

visits or staff coordination, there is a proper and established process for handling that. Dr. VeZ, our superintendent, not the board clerk, should have brought the issue forward formally to the full board. that would include facts, context, documentation, and if appropriate, review by legal counsel. That is how responsible governance works. That did not happen. Instead, the superintendent did not

bring this forward directly. And Dr. Melinda Anderson stepped outside her role to place this item on the agenda in a manner that avoids transparency and accountability. By doing so, she has effectively inserted herself into a governance and disciplinary space she does not occupy. and she has done so using speculative language that places unimplied um governance space um oh I lost my spot

but that's okay um and she has no okay u implied accusation in public record without any substant substantiate thank you policy should never be used as a substitute for due process it should never be used as a mechanism to address informal complaints whispered concerns or selective communication ations. Yet, that is exactly what this item represents. An attempt to convert an

unvetted narrative into formal policy. That is dangerous precedent. Board members are elected officials. Visiting school campuses, attending public events, and engaging with school communities are not privileges granted by administration. They are a core responsibility of this office. If this board allows policy to be driven this way through role confusion, informal communication, and targeted agenda framing, it erodess trust and undermines

board integrity. For those reasons, this item should not proceed as written. It should be withdrawn or at a minimum returned to the superintendent or legal counsel so it can be brought forward properly and transparently. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> David Sola followed by >> Good evening. Um, forgive me. I didn't I didn't go to dentist school or I'm not a

professional in event planning. Um, but I think we all are confusing fact for anecdote. And so, forgive me, I don't know what they taught there. I wasn't taking a shot at you. I don't know what you learned. But the difference between fact and anecdote is that you actually have empirical data which should drive all of your decisions. So, when I read

this item, I have to wonder what is driving you to do this. And the only anecdote that actually matters here is it should come from the staff, which should come through our superintendent. If our superintendent says we are a distraction to our staff and we're not able to they're not able to do their jobs because they're constantly worried

about board members coming by. Well, that that brings up two things that I'm worried about. Now, I was always taught in the Marine Corps that integrity is doing what's right even when nobody's watching. So why are we so concerned that a simple visit is about to occur? Are we just allocating resources to accommodate the royal board when they

show up? Because that's not how it should be either, right? I think we know that. So I guess all I'm saying here is if there's a reason for this, we deserve to know. Are our kids having time taken away from them because you all are visiting? Because I'll be completely honest, some of you appear and and it's

not all of you. Some of you appear to feel like you have better things to do than to sit up here. It's why you want to continuously push through. It's why when your people are here talking to support you, you got all the time in the world. But when a parent is here who puts the sweat equity into this

district, suddenly let's see what we can cut out of the meeting because you know it's going long now. Don't be a hypocrite. We all see it. If this is taking away from our kids, that's one thing, but you need to come with the data or at least come with the superintendent saying, "We got to do something different." If it's not that,

then we're doing it for vindictive reasons because there are other schoolboard members who want to put more time into visiting those sites than others. And if that's the case, shame on you. They're doing what you don't have the time to do. I'm not saying you don't want to do it, but if they're going to do what you don't have the time to do,

don't put this up here to like take away from that. Thank you. >> You next speaker. [applause] >> Okay, last speaker is Upn. Um, I have a couple of points and I'm speaking from personal experience. Uh, the first interaction with a board member for me was actually in a parent teacher conference line. Uh, your predecessor Adam Schkumovitz and his wife were

standing in front of me waiting in line to see Mrs. Cardinelli at uh, TMS. So that is again a site visit but they were behaving just like any parent. I don't think that's really of a concern of this board. Nobody has uh uh kids in school. So I uh but I think that would be included. I'm guessing people who run

who have kids in school, they will go to school. I volunteer all the time. Like I'm at school a lot. Mr. Sola is at the school a lot for cheer. And so there are like you know different situations. I think one thing we're not talking about that we've discussed quite a bit and I'd like to refer to u some of the quotes

I've heard like you know somebody spoke about 14th amendment everybody should be treated equally I am in 100% agreement with that so we've included site visits we haven't covered protests like when a board member goes to a school site to protest with the students is it considered a site visit a public event what it is like day middle school we had

a big situation where some people don't want to respect the 14th amendment rights of a transgender student and they're seen distribut sorry supervising sign distribution I don't see a parent inside they're interacting with 12 13 year olds without their parents and I'm quoting over here uh we received a complaint once they get the taste of a protest they are addicted to it so why

are we starting them so young at 12 13 uh Dr. Dr. Kamroski has spoken about community standards in the past. We should apply all uh community standards equally, right? Like is it okay for board members to go hang out with 12 13 year olds at school without their parents or there is objections I saw objections a lot of objections with some

17year-olds uh student having I don't know coffee with uh a board member at a public place with their parents' permission. Did we have parents permission? We you know we discussed protest policies the student protest policies you pass that policy that they do have the right to protest. What about the board members like is it a private event

when they advertise the said event on their social media? We I I remember uh Mrs. Beersma just mentioned we should be careful what we post on our social media. We should control how we interact when we advertise such events. Are these public events, private events? A board member is promoting them. How should we handle this? I think your policy

actually does not go far enough with all of the things that have been discussed and handled. So what is that considered? We've had two board members advertise and then give uh uh interviews to Valley News on from the school site outside a middle school which is not in their trusty area. They've driven across town to be there. What is that considered? Is

it a site visit? Is it a personal visit? What is it? So we should have rules around that too and it causes security concerns for the school obviously. Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay, [applause] I'm gonna let uh Dr. Anderson present. Everybody's been handed um edits by her, but I'll give you the floor. You have three minutes.

>> Oh, yeah, sure. Len, would you mind doing that? >> Don't start my time. I'm just gonna tell the public what the edits are. Yeah, with the green ones because this is what I worked on collaboratively with the district. Everyone's asking the district. This is me and the district working. And this has been going on for a little bit. It's going to look like

I'm targeting parents or students because of recent social media events, but I'm not targeting the students or the parents. It just coincidentally this was it. But I am going to speak to boundaries with students and parents. [snorts] Are you starting? I need to speak very clearly about school board site visits and the boundaries to exist to protect students and staff. Under

California law, school board members have a right to access school sites for oversight purposes. That right does not extend to access to students or staff. Board members are not teachers, aids, counselors, or volunteers. We do not have a role that involves interacting with students. Over the past several months, I've been aggressively working with the district to establish and

enforce appropriate boundaries for board member behavior, both at school sites and at the district office. This is not new. This is an issue I have repeatedly raised clearly and firmly because the behavior I have observed over the past year is not acceptable. I have personally seen board members stand too close to students, lean into desks, and lean into the student and attempt to

direct interaction with very young children as young as five-year-old kindergarteners. From a parent perspective, this is deeply concerning. From a governance perspective, it is inappropriate. From a student safety perspective, it is unacceptable. This behavior must stop at school site visits. I want to be very clear for parents, students, and the community. There is no circumstance where senior adult board members should

be attempting to make friends with the students. None. As a parent of a school-aged children, a ch of two children, I understand this. This is not kind. It is not harmless. It is not supportive. And there is nothing that can be said to justify it. Schools are required to maintain clear, professional adult student boundaries. When those boundaries are blurred, especially by

adults who hold authority, it creates discomfort for the staff, confusion for the students, and serious safety concerns for families. Even when someone claims good intentions, behavior that places adults unnecessarily close to children or seeks personal connection can be reasonably perceived as unsafe. That is alone for it to be stopped. One month ago, when the district began implementing systems and standards to

address excessive board present at the district office, I specifically warned the district that without firm boundaries, those behaviors could shift to the school sites and the students. I had a direct explicit conversation with the district mid January that students were off limits period and that this message needed to be clearly communicated to board members. I even said I am concerned that board members

are going to start having coffee with students next to fill this void. I am now formally asking the district to put this was in January before all this social media stuff happened. I called it. I am now formally asking the district to put clear enforceable parameters in place for board members at site visits with our 5-year-old girls.

The final question we have to answer is this. What happens when a board member repeatedly fails to respect >> boundaries? Let's get let's let you finish it like I did on that one where I had to split it up. Yeah, we got you got four more minutes. Two more rounds. >> Like I said, this was written a few

weeks ago. The final question that we have, >> Dr. Anderson, let Yeah. Okay. >> Point of point of clarity here that Dr. VeZ also wants this to come back with staff edits. Okay. So, that's out there as well. And any board comments? >> Yeah. >> Hold on. I'm gonna give the floor to Mr. Barham. We're going to start the time.

Go ahead. >> Excuse me. I don't think I've seen this when I reviewed the what we were supposed to be talking about. So I I'm very confused by this. I'm confused by this. >> Do you want me to answer in the question? >> Go. the we have the original board bylaw that I amended. Yeah. And that is what

the district brought me that they want to add to it. So that is the district copy and it's a first read. So I threw it up there. I wanted the board members to know the district is working on this and this is at request of the district and staff and then I have my amended bylaws that are on the agenda. So that's

just for you. We can bring it back at >> I I understand that. I mean I guess No, I I guess my issue with this is and and I have said this before, this should so that we are transparent with the public. These types of things need to be on the agenda. You can't just throw this at us and expect us to to

interact with this in any kind of reasonable way. And I have said I've said this before, it's not fair to the public. It's not fair to us. I mean, I excuse me. I looked at your policy. I looked at that because that was what was made available to me, but then I'm handed all of this and I I can't

interact with this. I don't have time to do that. And it's and they if if you're going to if you're not going to violate the open transparency laws, these people out here, the public, they have a right to see this >> beforeand >> beforehand. I mean, we shouldn't be talking about this right now because of that. It it's it's this

is a this is a Brown Act violation to me. Sorry, >> Mr. Schwarz. Where should I start? Um, those of us who were teachers and have spent years in the classroom and have gone through Kenan training know exactly what the boundaries are. I resent. Here we go. Another accusation, no name, just like another accusation. Somebody somewhere did something and we

don't know what you're talking about. It was observed uh they are leaning into children. I mean please this is just nonsense. And worst of all from the board president who said at the last meeting I don't do school visits. You said that I don't do school visits. And as a result of that >> point of order that wasn't me that was

>> Yes, Dr. Anderson. Yes. And as a result of that, I get calls from schools that are not in my trustee area. Can you please come for Friday flag? Can you please come for ReadAcross America? Can you please come? We're honoring veterans. Can you please come? We're honoring the uh community helpers in our district. And I love doing it and I will

continue to do it. But I think it is ludicrous for the person who said I don't do school visits to put in a policy about school visits. Absolutely ridiculous. >> if not I can go, but you can go first. Okay. I just want to do a point of clarity for you, Mr. Barham. when you said that you didn't think this was

transparency and you waved this. I just want you to go back in time when you first agendaized the board advisory committee and there was nothing here and I literally asked you the same thing. So I mean just forgive me when I point out the hypocrisy. I I mean come on and this is and I'm not I'm not um I'm not asking

for the dialogue. It I'm agree with you. Yeah. But I'm not >> a learning experience >> and I am talking so I don't need the time back. It's >> it's gonna it's you know I just Please don't interrupt. Please be respectful >> when when when when this is when there's that much hypocrisy and then you say there's a Brown Act violation. It it is

it is absurd. Come on. And so with this, just to remind you, this is only a first read. There could be a second read. There could be a third read. There's no rush to this. Um my my additional point to this is as far as the justification or the rationale of why she agendaized it, I'm separate from that. For me, I

could actually go down to one board me more one board member visit because I think it stresses um staff out if hey I'm a professor. When you when I have when I have the dean of humanities come in there and she's all nice and smiley like everything's serious even though it's everything's nice and smiley. And now just imagine two board members, a

superintendent, maybe a district admin. It is a lot. It's like a fleet coming into their room with kids. And bless their hearts, they got a lot. They're trying to capture the attention. Then you have this thing called rapport with a parent and student. And when that rapport is really well, it's just a lot of stress. So I'm flexible. I could do

two board members per site visit, but I would prefer one. And again, because it builds board rapport with that actual site and with those teachers, that's outside of the rale justification of why this was agenda. That's just me and I'll go a second round. >> So that's the first round of comments, but Dr. Anderson, you um are now

>> first get a first round. >> Oh, that's right. I went before Jen. All right, both of you. Which which one wants to go first? This first. >> So, I'm glad it's a first read. I think that we can make some changes with this coming back. I do think there needs to be some flexibility for adults and

trustees to have some wiggle room. I think obviously we need to be sure we're courteous of the superintendent of the campus sites, but we can't lock people down too much. So, I know that a parent called me at a campus a couple years ago with a concern about what was happening in a library and I stopped by after I went to the gym

and talked had a great conversation actually with the principal and the tech officials that were there and then was escoriated at a meeting like this for 10 minutes by CSEA and it was totally uncalled for because really trustees they are entrusted with a lot and we should have an ability should something come up to be able to address things

within reason or stop by but there is the tension point there needs to be professional protocol we should give a heads up Dr. should know so I think this needs a little bit of work to so it doesn't seem punitive and that we're not adults who want to be doing the right thing there there's there's a midpoint

that still needs to be found with this >> Dr. Anderson. >> My goal is to protect and put boundaries between the staff, the students, and the board members. And it might be a four in one fight, but it's one that I'm ready to take on. I want to follow up clearly explaining the role of school board members because there seems to be

confusion that needs to be addressed publicly. Schoolboard members are elected to set policy, approved budgets, and provide oversight to the district. We are not part of the school day. We are not involved in instruction, supervision, counseling, or student activities. Most important, we are not peers, mentors, or friends to the students. Because students are minors, adults in positions of authority must

maintain clear and professional boundaries at all times. When a board member attempts to form personal relationships or friendships with students, that crosses a line. Even if someone claims good intentions, that behavior is inappropriate and unacceptable. Schools are required to protect students not just from actual harm, but from situations that could reasonably raise concern for families. Remember, I worked on this a few weeks

ago. The weekend social media is just coincidence. From a parent perspective, there is no scenario where this is appropriate. Students are not a board member's constituency for personal interaction. there are they are children entrusted to the district's care and that trust requires strict boundaries with adults who do not have an assigned educational role. I also want to be

clear that this did not come up um come up as a surprise. One month ago I explicitly warned the district that once limits were placed on board members access to the district office there was a real risk that boundary issues would shift to school sites and student interactions. I asked that a time for clear communication and firm parameters

making it unmistakable that students were off limits and this was a month ago. >> Round two. >> Thank you. Round two. Anybody else want to talk? I'm good with comments at this point. Oh, actually I'll probably comment. All right. Anybody else? >> Mr. Barham, >> mine is is again um I'm flexible. Um, I prefer single site visits, but if the

majority of the board comes out um on two members per site visit, I might be a flexible with that as well because some of us have very flexible working schedules. We love doing site visits. I do them all the time. I missed I missed the stem though with gardener the other night. I got too busy. But I enjoy doing

these. Um I've been on site visits with most of you up here on the deis and we're we're fine in the classroom together with site admin. So, I'm flexible either way, even though I prefer one. >> I don't think you missed it. >> You didn't miss it. >> It's the 19th. >> I don't know why. The other day I

thought I missed it and it stressed me out because I didn't want to miss it >> because it was it was it was the wrong date. I had it, too. >> Oh, I thought I missed it. >> Oh, it was edited. It was in my phone. Okay. All right. I'm done with this comment and I'm really excited now. I'm

going to try to make it. All right. Mr. Barham, you have the floor. Um, can you reset my time? >> Sure. >> I want to talk about schools, students. I want to talk about moving our kids forward. I'm I'm so tired of this stuff. Dr. is I think you need to speak into this because I just don't get it. I I I just don't

get what this is all about. I I just don't I mean five-year-olds, board members, it's weird. It's weird crap. I mean, I just don't get where she is going here. I'm sorry. and the staff and board members and you know go to site visits Melinda go to go to school get your butt on some school committees do your thing instead of

excuse me I'm speaking okay excuse me >> point of order no point of order is not supposed to address me directly and even the sheriff said that he can't talk direct just ignore him right now >> I asked the Lord, >> he cannot yell. >> I can't address you. >> We are almost done with this addressing and I don't want to put us into recess,

guys. You can get You can get time out. Let me just take a breath. I don't want to go into recess. >> Dr. Anderson, just ignore. Just ignore. >> He cannot. You need to stop him from yelling at >> Do I have board consensus to put us into recess for 5 minutes? >> No. >> All right, then. Let's take a deep

breath in. Just we'll add some time here. I want my hand. >> You don't You don't get a full two minutes. I can >> point a border. He can't use two minutes to yell at me. And and officer Kha told him he cannot address me directly like and attack me and board me. >> I don't know. I don't know.

>> Dr. Anderson, [clears throat] will you please just let this board member speak? Let's get through this. >> All right. I am I am asking one more time to put us into recess for five minutes. We need a fiveminute break. 11:00. It's obviously not moving on. >> Yeah, she needs a break. >> We're in recess. 5 minutes.

>> She needs a time. >> She can't If she can't function on this board, she needs to go. >> Of course not. Thanks for your patience. >> Everybody got to stretch out. We're almost done. Okay. >> I believe uh Mr. Barham said he's done with his time unless he wants to continue. >> No, I want my time back and then I'm

going to make a motion. >> Okay. I'll give you a minute and 30 seconds. You were interrupted midway. >> So, I'll give you a minute and 30. Okay. Let's adjust that and just let >> Okay. >> Give me a second. Wait a minute. Let her >> And I just ask all board members, please do not interrupt. Um let's just get

through this. We're almost there. >> Yeah. I I want to make a motion. I want to postpone this item definitely. Um I don't know what it's about. I don't understand it. I would like the superintendent to explain it to me in our private meetings when we have them weekly. And let's bring this back next time when I'm more clear. And do I have

a second? >> Second. >> Yeah. I I I don't I mean it's it's it's this what is being said here. I I don't understand what this is for. and I I want to I want to confer with the superintendent and then let's bring it back next time. >> Okay. So, you want you want a motion, a second to bring it back next time.

>> I'm postponing it definitely until the next meeting. >> Yeah, you didn't really have to do that. That's that's what is happening anyway. >> But I then table staff there staff edits. >> Okay. Motion to table to the next meeting. Motion to >> when sta with staff edits coming back and any edits from the board. >> Great second.

>> All right. Uh we already have a motion and a second. We have a motion to second. >> Thank you. >> Any other discussion before we go to vote? >> All right. Thank you. Let's vote. >> Lenma. >> Yes. Anderson. Oh god. >> Yes. >> To bring it back. >> And not to Are we going to finish our

last amount of time because we all have one more time to call? >> Okay. Okay. >> We We We have a motion in a second to table >> to table this to the next meeting and we can work on this. This is not killing this. This is not going away. It's literally >> but we have site talking board members

are going to access students and nuzzle up to students and tell those site >> and this is under information reports not under action so it's not appropriate to take action right on it now >> we have to continue on >> I'll bring it back but so I'm not allowed to make any more comments on it >> you know we can we can stop the vote but

I >> no Dr. Kamroski, >> the motion is on the table. >> We will we will if the vote doesn't go through. Okay. >> Can I make >> Let's just Let's just finish Let's just finish the vote. Let's just finish the vote, >> please. >> All right. >> I lost track. Ladies, yes. Anderson, >> yes. >> Barham,

>> Schwarz, >> Kamaroski, >> Uh, uh, student board member, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> Great. >> Motion adopted. 50. So yeah, basically next time this will help me next time before we do a motion, a second I say, "Are there any other discussions?" and nobody says a word and then I get right in the middle of voting, somebody goes,

"Wait, wait, I'll have it." Really puts me in an awkward position because we have a motion a second. We have to follow through with it. >> That's a good point. >> Okay. >> Okay. And I apologize if you felt cut off. That was not my intention. I was just moving on with the motion thinking nobody else um wanted to speak on it.

Okay. So now we are on to if I haven't forgot anything general public comments. The governing board welcomes public comments. This is a time for open session public comments. Public comments are allowed up to a maximum of three minutes for comment in the order received to a maximum total time of 30 minutes per item for comments on agenda

items or non-aggenda items. For consent agenda item topics, a limit of three minutes total will be allowed from one speaker. Unless the item has been placed on the published agenda in its accord in accordance with the Brown Act, um there will be no action taken. No discussion will be made regarding personnel issues in open session. Also, pursuant to the

education code section 7054, the public comment process shall not be used to show support or opposition for any ballot measure or uh candidate for political office, including candidates for the district's board of education. All public comments are an important part of the board meeting and are carefully considered by the governing board. And I have one other announcement

and this is very important and this is just a refresher. Before we begin public comment, I need to be very clear about expectations for decorum. Under our district objective expectations up there on the wall and over there on the wall for disruptions supported by government code section 54957.95, disruptive conduct is not prohibited prohibited or sorry permitted during

board meetings. This includes but is not limited to the use of profane or abusive language. Keep in mind last board meeting we had a person use profane language not once not twice but three times while addressing the school board while a school board minor was present on the board and even minors in the audience. Please this is not the time

and place for profanity. These meetings are conducted in the public students are present and we currently have a student board member and I just said that um language such as profanity um personal insults or vulgar expressions is unacceptable in this setting. We just don't need it. So that's the friendly warning. Let's proceed. We have 13 speakers. Um

I'm up for two minutes a speaker, but I will take the board consensus on this. We got 13 speakers. >> Three. >> We got two people saying two. We got Mr. Barham saying three. >> Where's Where's Schwarz? >> He wants three. >> We have [laughter] we have consensus for two minutes um per item at 13 speakers. That way we get all

the speakers and we'll take the speakers. >> 13. >> We have consensus for two minutes. Len, thank you. >> First up is Jack Callahan, followed by Anita Martinez. >> Read it fast. >> All right, finally time has come for my last comment of the night. Uh I'm extremely tired. So I really do apologize if I do say anything that is a

bit too harsh because uh I have to go home and study for calculus and a AP presentation for the morning. Um but this meeting was absolutely horrendous. You guys took a step completely in the wrong direction here. Every single subject that you guys had a debate on felt like it lasted forever because it was needless bickering and

argumentation. There is no point in arguing when you can't get anything done with it anyways. I just ask that you promote efficiency from every single board member. I know that I'm probably going to be labeled as cherry-picking, but this applies to everybody. Uh I know most of the time I do tend to call out uh Dr. K, Dr. Mr.

Anderson and Mrs. Weirma. But uh Mr. Schwarz, Mr. Barham, you two are guilty of it as well. I'm not going to deny you are responsible in part for the inefficiency of this board. [snorts] Every single person needs to learn how to be a civic individual when you are sitting on that day. Um also, Mrs. Anderson, I'd like to just address your

comments on our um misinformation and lies that were spread about the drug intervention and prevention programs and everything like that. Uh if you will look up uh the Drug-Free Schools and Communities Act amendments of 1989 in Congress, it does mandate that any local educational agency that receives federal funding is to have a drug intervention or prevention program in place. that

includes our district, not referral. We have to have that program in place in our district. We do have car soloulless, but that does not apply for drug intervention. That is mental health. They can refer. They are not an actual drug program. Please, we're willing to help. Ask for help. >> Thank you. >> Anita Martinez, followed by Drew Davis.

I am not going to be able to do this in two minutes almost. Good morning board members and district staff. I'm speaking to you as a veteran teacher with about 26 years teaching experience in the last 10 years here at TVUSD. And I'm really here to talk about what's happening in the classrooms. We've got kids that are so

disregulated. We've got kids with autism, diagnosed and undiagnosed. In my classroom alone, I have so many I have so many kids that it's it's unbearable for one teacher to handle. Um I'm way off my notes because I can't do this in a minute and a half. But I want to acknowledge that I'm fully supported by my dedicated and hardworking

administration who consistently assist me with the significant challenges not only in my classroom but in our entire school. However, despite their best efforts and the scope and frequency of the challenges that go on, um it's too much for the site level alone. There needs to be increased support at the district level. Despite these realities, recent decisions from the school board

not to approve funding that directly impacts student support services will significantly reduce the assistance available to administration, teachers, and students. This lack of support will have a profound effect on the overall classroom climate and the well-being of teachers and support staff and administrators. This new normal is not only extraordinarily stressful, but it also creates an unpleasant and often

unsafe learning environment for students. For the first time in my 26-year career, my health is suffering as a direct result of the stress associated with my job. The emotional and physical toll on educators across the district is significant and it's infecting the entire system. I'm asking the board to truly consider what is happening in our classrooms and to

rethink ways to provide meaningful adequate support for students with intensive needs. What we are seeing with students is not an isolated issue. It's becoming increasingly common nationwide and it's now in TVSD. I respectfully urge you to listen to the voices of those working directly with students every day and to prioritize funding and policies that reflect the realities of

>> Thank you. our students and our teachers. >> Thank you, ma'am. >> Next up is Drew Davis, followed by Christine Masa. As we go through 2026, I would like to ask you one thing. I would like you to hold on to your mission statement tonight. I heard your mission statement. I heard you share students come first. I

heard it shared by every voice on this board. Students come first. Please hold on to your mission statement. Tonight, I didn't see that mission statement held on to. Our first truly educational conversation began at 10:10 p.m. Hold on to your mission statement. put kids first. Tonight, I heard the students used as weapons from the board about their signs, about what happened

in what conversation. Stick to your mission statement. Put the kids first. You can't do that when that you cut off the student representative board member in a conversation at a previous meeting. Please, I'm asking you to put your mission statement first. Tonight, I heard things that were used to attack a board member and it was used in a way to describe holding decorum.

And one was about a conversation about walkouts and protest. And what I really had a hard time with, I didn't see the mission statement because I heard people that arranged a walk out and a protest against a transgender student in our middle school say that to the other person. Please hold on to your mission statement because the kids have to be first. The

attacks, the lies, the hypocrisy. I heard and I heard the word hypocrisy from someone that showed it by attacking another person for what they did. Thank you for letting me speak. >> Thank you. [applause] [cheering] >> Christine Masa followed by >> Okay, so I'm going to start with some questions like why is it okay for Melinda to say she has TBOSD students

sleep over at her house in a private setting with no one knowing what they've discussed? Did they go in her bedroom? Was she drinking in their presence? Now, I'm not alleging that any of that happened because that would be slander. And what about Jen creating campaign videos with chaperel students in her garage? Why don't we get a report out on

that? But I digress. What I really want to say is that I'm so proud to see our students putting into action what they learn in school. Due process, empathy, seeking mentors, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, voting rights. This year, all my Chapperel graduate kids, classes of 22, 24, and 26, will be voting in June and November. And they

remember. They remember how their best friend was verbally attacked by a board member's wife, or when a board member refused to remove unauthorized pictures of them from her public Instagram after repeated parent request, or when a board president slandered their mother, even in the face of written proof that he was wrong. I'm looking at you, Dr. Kamroski.

Thank you. But they also remember the board members who showed up to their events, who fought for their funding, who fought for safer classrooms, who supported their teachers. They remember. Our students remember. Let's not forget neither you, Joe, nor Melinda, have your schoolage kids in TDUSD right now. Just like saying, "I know gay people," doesn't mean you aren't homophobic. Saying, "I

know kids who know kids in TDUSD," doesn't give you the experience of actual current TDUSD parents. You don't know what's best for our kids. I'm Christine Massa, TVSD parent and volunteer continually since 2009. Thank you, [applause] >> Oh, oh, sorry. Sorry. Oh, um, followed by Bernard. Bernard will be next. >> Okay. Good evening again. My original comments were for item Q3 that was

pulled because one of the letters from the DA bears my name. Uh, and I got a bunch of questions from people that did I file a complaint or something? I did not. And I can see Dr. Anderson wants the name redacted name shown. So I did go back and research who filed the cure and correct for the Brown Act violation

on March 25th which is attached to the meeting on uh September uh one of the September meetings and at that time there was a coordinated campaign being run by Dr. Kamroski supporters to harass you and this is probably but poetic justice is I think like the DA moved pretty quickly for the past three years of multiple complaints filed but it

happened to arrive the letter rather than to you to him himself now he has to deal with it and uh I did not have anything to do with that particular cure incorrect and honestly I haven't filed any cure and correct and I am pointing out absurdities last tonight we have allotted 26 minutes for public comment and we spent I was timing things 25

minutes discussing splitting public comments and we spent time today reporting giving an update we have a we're basically having a meeting saying that oh I schedule meeting if it was my employee I would have like fired them because like usually as employees we are asked to go with solutions you've all attended workshops where you were asked like you know you're supposed to discuss

what needs to happen so what what is it that you're trying to achieve with all of this like what is the goal student achievement ment is a goal. We want to move the needle for uh you know ELA students or we want to improve our math scores. That is a what how staff does or how they do it. That's not your problem.

Everybody's like good at their jobs otherwise they won't be working here. So telling everybody you need to do this, you need to do that, that's not your job. You mentioned your job is like setting policy and like you know just giving direction and that's it. Fiscal oversight that's it. and we'll have a lot less of these cure and corrects and

all this nonsense if we just stick to the business of the board. Thank you. [applause] >> Okay, sorry for the mixup there. Now we have Bernard followed by Leanneard. >> Uh good evening. Um, earlier today in front of Walmart, I saw a young fellow. He was about in his 20s and he was taking signatures for petitions. You've

undoubtedly seen this today. And so I listening to him, I I gave him an idea for maybe a future uh petition which I would then suggest to the school board in the audience to advocate in the near future the National School Chaplain Association to have certified chaplain in our public schools. >> Yes, I did say that. to help with

stresses and strains both students and teachers might have including to any adverse child childhood experiences which I have a survey of a city back east I know we're not there okay of uh some of these experiences kids have such as emotional abuse physical abuse sexual abuse parent separator or divorce physical abuse in household substance abuse in household mental illness in

household incarcerated household member emotional neglect, phys physical neglect and to also to have such chaplain, okay, to also assist our school resource officers with the problems and that their kids are having troubles and and delinquency. I know that this is going on. Okay, it's not only here, it's elsewhere uh in our state and elsewhere and other states. Uh

the National School Chaplain Association or NSCA is legalized in the states of Texas, Florida, Louisiana, and Missouri. And similar reg legislation in over a dozen states including Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, and Utah have introduced similar bills. That young guy I spoke to earlier who I was speaking to him about NA was interested and he wanted a

contact number and I gave it to him. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Leanne followed by Jennifer. >> Good evening. I'm here tonight because something fundamentally has been broken and silence would make us complicit. In recent weeks, students in this district, children, have been targeted by adults for doing exactly what we tell them to do. Speak honestly, engage civically,

and care about the world they are inheriting. When supporters of leadership attack students with lies, distortions, and personal abuse, that is not free speech. That is a failure of moral leadership. Amazing that a school trustee would actually take an Instagram post some from someone who knew nothing of a conversation as trustworthy without the courtesy of speaking to that c that

board member. Frankly, you should be more concerned about the crazy lady following an underage student. Additionally, our current stu uh student board member Melissa Chai was publicly insulted and smeared and smeared for voicing her concerns with school board members. She did not incite hate. She did not spread misinformation. She spoke with courage and integrity, qualities we claim to value until it makes the adults

feel uncomfortable. Let me be clear. When grown adults weaponize their platforms against minors, that is not strength. It is cowardice. When children are punished for honesty, while adults excuse cruelty as politics, we are not teaching civics. We are teaching fear. Mr. Kamaroski, your leadership is not measured by how loudly your supporters cheer you on. It is measured by the

whether you are willing to draw the line when they are wrong. This board has a duty, not a preference, not a political calculation, but a duty to protect students from harassment and intimidation, especially student leaders who step forward in good faith, trusting that the adults in the room will have their backs. If we allow the lies and hate to

chase our children out of public life, then we should stop pretending that Jennifer San Nicholas followed by Lindsay. Few minutes. Okay. First, I want to say how troubled I am by the women on the board making accusations against men for what seems like vindictive reasons. You have set all women back years by doing this. And those of us who have survived

trauma are truly appalled right now. Moving on to more positive things. I'd like to commend Jack Callahan and Nathan Barry for standing up for teens and students in the community. Their voices are important. I and I am thrilled to see young people civically engaged. Myself, I have a son turning 18 in two weeks. Can't believe it. And he is

excited to vote this year. Um same with the kids in our neighborhood. They're all looking forward to registering to vote when they turn 18. And did I mention I live in your trustee area now, Dr. Kamaroski? I end attended the sped parent night last week with TVA. Um and I wanted to take a moment and thank them. Um, while this year marks 15 years

of IEPs for my family, this information was vital for families newer in the IEP process or for non-English-speaking parents and um, parental rights aren't always clear in this process and the written packets can be tedious. So, I wanted to thank TVA. As for the personal attacks made by board members um, and the slander against uh, two other board members, I

would just like to remind you of glass houses. Not that the two of you ever shied away from hypocrisy, but it's always um okay when you guys do it, right? Justice for Caroline. Lindsay followed by David Hatch. >> Two minutes. Okay. I want to play something that was said tonight. >> Overlap. I know a lot of the parents at

Chapperel. I had a group of TVHS students talking about their field trips at my house just Saturday night. Um, and we've hosted a lot of events like field trips. Um, I've hosted the ASB clubs at different schools on my pickle ball courts. So, to answer your question, >> stop the clock. >> Is that in our governance handbook?

>> Did we get parental consent for all those students in your home? This situation clearly could have been shut down immediately. One phone call from a trustee, one statement, one act of leadership. Instead, nothing was done. A video involving a student was circulated by a failed schoolboard member and his wife um on social media individuals who publicly advocate for and promote Jen

and Joe. That video falsely and dangerously insinuated misconduct and predatory behavior. Those implications were not subtle and they were not accidental. What matters most is this. Both of that students as parents were fully informed of and aware of the meeting shown in that video. Any suggestion otherwise was false. When the parents learned the video was being circulated, they explicitly asked that

it be taken down to protect their student their child. Their request was denied. Their voices were dismissed. Jen and Joe knew the parents were informed. parents objected and that they chose not to intervene despite the fact that these were their supporters, publicly tagging them in operating within their political orbit. Joe, you say it yourself. I've heard it many times. I will be the final

arbiter of your values. In this moment, that mattered because the values at issue were simple. Respect for parental authority, protection of this student, and the responsibility to stop the spread of a false and harmful narrative. Silence in this context was not neutral. This is not about politics or free speech. It's about accountability and this is a failure of leadership and

>> thank you. [applause] >> Oh no, David Hatch or Hutch, right? No. Okay. Next up, David Sola followed by Edgar Diaz. If this room was full, we would have got three minutes. I want to recommend a book to you all. Uh, Pulitzer Prizew winning author Doris Karns Goodwin wrote a book in 2005 called Team of Rivals. You should

probably check that out because it talks about how Abraham Lincoln surrounded himself in his cabinet with three people that ran against him because he understood that diversity of perspective matters and you guys are living in an echo chamber and the problem is it's not even like you're not even listening to people that are on your side. You're

just listening to yourself. Dr. Anderson, you said earlier that you know um Mr. Barham and all board members should not be doing anything in their communities because it breaks the the the board's, you know, um, kind of decorum or perspective or whatever you want to try and paint it as. You're forgetting a couple things about what Tmacula is. In Tmacula, we take care of

our neighbors. It doesn't matter if I vote for the same person. I don't even know who my neighbors vote for. You know why? Because that doesn't even matter to me when it comes down to their their needs. if they need me, I'm going to be there. And I'm going to tell you that even though I've got barely a minute

left, I'm going to keep being there for my neighbors regardless of if they voted for me or not. And when you tell people that they can't get involved in their communities because they care about people and you try to paint it as something nefarious and something that it's not, you're not winning over anybody onto your cause or to what your

perspective is. You're pushing people away. You're driving a wedge. Think about that. You paint yourselves as if you're better than the people that you represent, forgetting that you come from the people that you represent. I don't even understand why you would do that. You are not above the people that are out here. You're supposed to serve the

people that are out here. And the last thing I want to say is I'm going to go ahead and talk to those students, too, because I talk to students all the time because I'm always on those campuses and I'm always volunteering. Ask anybody that knows me. I'll record it though so you don't have to send your friends to

come follow me and take videos. Thanks. >> Good evening. Um, I wasn't a planned comment I'm making today, but just out of out of observation out of many meetings this year is this one's a prime example of how paranoia rules this board these board meetings today. There's examples of paranoia about Robert's rules of order, paranoia about curriculum,

teachers, students, other board members, and interactions with students. All paranoia. Those who attend here are interested in the business of education and learning. Prime example, LCAP, a whole 20 minutes, just a little under 20 minutes. Here's when I made my notes and the meeting's been over 3 hours, 4 hours. We're now at 5 and a half hours,

but yet only 20 minutes to the business of education and learning. Instead, we witness arguing about committee assignments, board policies to limit and punish other board members. I mean, you do have staff that can do a lot of this work for you under the direction of Dr. Valz. I know most of these people all combined make over $2 million and

they're pretty good at their jobs. So subcommittees not that important. They're capable of conducting the work. Your involvement in subcommittees is the most robust I've experienced. I'll tell you that over 30 years of education. Most robust I've ever seen. But I do believe that your participation is rooted in paranoia. And that paranoia is creating more cumbersome processes and systems to try

to check other people's influence. And all you really need is trust. Trust. >> Y. >> Hi, my name is David Barry. I'm the father of a junior at Chapperel High School and also of a student at French Valley Elementary. My wife and I are deeply invested in this district for both of our children's futures. We have always been involved with our children's

educ education and I'm proud to have been a watchdog back when my oldest was at French Valley Elementary. My son is 17 years old. He's civically engaged, respectful, and passionate about his future. And we are incredibly proud of the young man he is becoming. He recently started a nonprofit where he and other students organized a community cleanup in

Oldtown. He founded a nonpartisan club at his school to advocate for students and bring awareness to local politics. He's also the captain of the of the lacrosse team and plans to major in political science in college. I am the father of the minor student who had lunch on Saturday with Mr. Barham. That's me. This meeting was encouraged

by my wife and me. It was about academics, mentorship, and civic engagement. Despite that, my minor son was photographed, posted about, and pulled into a political narrative without our consent and now amplified tonight. Parents firsthand information has been disregarded while an anonymous and secondhand accounts have been elevated and weaponized. I personally reached out to you, Dr. Kimroski, about this. You

could have asked me directly about the content of that meeting. Instead, false rumors were allowed to spread up here on the day based on unsubstantiated claims. Unsubst unsubstantiated claims. What makes this even more disappointing is hearing board members who claim to stand for parents' rights while allowing misinformation about my family to be amplified. You have no idea my personal

relationship with m Mr. Barheim. And frankly, it's none of your business. Students like my son are not pawns. They have their own voices and perspectives. The only people turning students into political tools are those twisting normal interactions and spreading false narratives. As a father, no one should have to accompany their son to a schoolboard meeting out of concern for

his safety. We should be be protecting students who step forward, not creating an environment where participation comes with personal risk. Thank >> let's have order on the board, Mr. Barham. Thank you. All right, negotiations update. Mr. RCE, do you have anything for the board? >> He is gone. >> Okay, Miss Slash, if you could please um keep us uh

updated with negotiations updates. Oh, we're all the batteries are dying out. >> it will be very brief. Uh, just letting the board know that we met with CSEA on Friday of last week and we continue to work through our successor agreement. We also met with TVEA this past Monday and have an ad hoc budget committee meeting scheduled for the 20th. And that's all.

>> Thank you, Miss Lash. Uh board comments. Anybody want to go first? >> Oh, uh for uh Mrs. Lash or Yeah. Uh you can do your board comments. You want to go first? We'll start that three minute. >> Oh my lord. All right. >> Violating the bylaws if you do not go in that order by seniority. And that is

what I'm expecting from you. >> Yeah. >> Follow the bylaws. >> How about this? Miss Worm, you want to go first? >> Another violation. >> Dr. Anderson, I give you the floor. >> I just want to um again state I this agenda was put out before the social media frenzy that happened with um board members. And I want to just

talk to the public and ask a very simple question for our community to consider. In what situation is it appropriate for an elected board member who has no instructional or supervisory role to engage in close personal interaction with young students during site visits, including children as young as 5 years old? If anyone believes there are circumstances where this is appropriate,

I invite you to bring those comments to the next meeting so we can discuss them openly. I believe that we should set clear boundaries to protect the students and staff. It's outside of the board members jurisdiction. They shouldn't be interacting with the young students in a close intimate way. This is a conversation we shouldn't avoid. Clear boundaries protect students. They clear

boundaries, support staff, and maintain public trust. That's what started it. It doesn't have to It didn't have anything to do with social media. This was agendaized before the big social media blow up. >> Thank you, Dr. Anderson. Anybody else? >> Yeah, I'll go. >> Mr. Schwarz. >> Yes. Um, I I don't know if you remember, but the

uh Abby from Great Oak mentioned White Lies Night at Great Oak High School. I did get to go. It was great. Each uh staff member had a shirt and they wrote a lie on it. So, for example, Coach Fischer wrote, "I hate tennis." And so, all the different kid, all the different students and staff um wrote their white

lies on their shirt. It was a lot of fun. Uh, I want to congratulate uh, Coach Diana Arban and the Great Oaks High School soccer team. I've been able to attend four games. That's an amazing team and I look forward to seeing them in the CAF playoffs. I also want to congratulate uh, both TVHS soccer teams for their excellent seasons and uh, look

forward to seeing them move forward in CIF. Before we adjourn, excuse me, I want to take a moment to reflect. Having spent 40 years in the classroom, I've always believed that every decision we make should center on what is best for our students and our schools. Our board may have different perspectives and disagree on approach or policy, but our shared mission should

always be the same, providing a safe, supportive, and highquality education for every child. I'm committed to keeping our focus on students, on sound fiscal responsibility, and on working together even when our views differ. I want to state clearly that I respect and uphold our students constitutional rights to free speech and peaceful assembly. While I do not endorse any

particular viewpoint, I affirm students ability to express their views and concerns. I want to state my position for the record. This is not a reflection on the students, families or staff of uh the district. And I also want to comment on making false accusations against fellow board members. It is shameful. It is disgraceful. It is childish behavior. It has no place on

this board. And I really am disappointed that people would take a social media post by someone who's an obvious hater of Mr. Barham. We all know who that person is. Promote it and then go ahead and talk about it here in a board meeting when we have work to do for our kids and our schools. Can we please get

back to our kids and our schools, please? [applause] Miss Worm >> Tmacula, as your trustee for area 3, here's a glimpse of my past few weeks. On January 16th, I danced with the kids at the Alamos Elementary's Smarty Party, all the teachers and staff. We celebrated their number one ranking with test scores in both TVUSD and Riverside

County. Congratulations, Principal Ainsworth. On January 23rd, I conducted a site visit with Dr. Valz and Dr. Kay at Summit Academy, French Valley Elementary, and Leia. It's always an honor to connect with principles and hear their goals for improving academic achievement, family engagement, and campus safety. On January 26th, I met with the drug awareness, intervention, and prevention subcommittee. I'm

convinced that our final product will be a broad-based age appropriate program with multiple layers that meet the needs of our students and their families while keeping TBUSD an academic institution first and foremost. On January 28th, which fell during National School Choice Week, I attended Tmacula Preparatory's Award assembly for freshman and sophomores. Not only did I enjoy the

ceremony and beautiful voices of the chamber singers, I was thrilled to support a charter school and the fact that our district offers multiple educational opportunities for families. On January 29th, I attended a Zoom meeting with capital adviserss and trustees across the state for perspective on the governor's budget for 2026 2027. As your vice clerk and liaison to the advisory council, I

attended their preliminary Zoom meeting for discussion on the presentation and was proud to see their work come to fruition at our workshop last Wednesday for our students. On February 3rd, I attended the CTE advisory board meeting and have been busy doing some personal homework for you. I'm currently speaking with the Riverside County EMS agency, a local fire chief, and several community

leaders to possibly bring an EMT certification program specifically for seniors. This would be a huge addition to our kinesiology pathway. And for those looking at the trades, I've connected again with the Inland Empire Electrical Training Center and John Row, who is ready to come tour a high school campus and help TVUSD create a future solid pathway into that field for

Sparkies. My goal is to make sure you know that you have a clear, high-paying career path. The moment you toss the cap, I am in your corner. This past Friday, I attended a regional press conference and CIF meeting with legislators and young female athletes who have been harmed by policies. >> The madness needs to end in this state.

In closing, I want to thank Dr. for stepping up to the plate, for taking the bull by the horns and tackling important issues with diplomacy and grit. I'm excited that we recently discussed how TVUSD could possibly celebrate the 250th anniversary of the Constitution by partnering with the city in the Oldtown Parade on July 4th. I'm on that with Dr. K, our amazing mayor,

Jessica Alexander, and a possible corporate sponsor. Stay tuned, folks. 2026 is going to be a banner year and I'm working hard to do my part. Have a great night. Thank you, Mr. Borrow. >> Well, I wasn't going to bring it up, but I have to now. Um, I wanted to I'm going to make a statement regarding some of

the vile allegations going around on social media and also the vile allegations that were commented on here tonight by Mrs. Wearsma and Dr. Kamaroski. First, I will say this. The people responsible for spreading this chaos into our district are doing so purposely just like Dr. Kamroski and Mrs. Wearsma. This is their agenda to seow chaos and division in our district

and in our community and it is shameful. As it should be stated, the Tmacula Valley Freedom Alliance's slanderous and defamatory behavior is by design. By causing a culture of chaos on this board and in the community, they as well as Mrs. Weisma and Dr. Kamaroski can avoid talking about policies that help further the educational development of our students. Why, you ask? The Tmacula

Valley Freedom Alliance organization which just two months ago was harassing and threatening another board member on this day as we all remember along with Dr. Kamaroski and Mrs. Wema does not support public education or the greatness of TVUSD. They want to burn it down. It is as simple as that. That's what they aren't telling you. The question we should all

be asking ourselves is when a student is looking for guidance or input from us, shouldn't we all be offering to help that student? I joined this board because I am an advocate for students first. Student achievement and want to contribute to seeing students at TBUSD thrive. Yes, I am a trustee, but I am a student advocate first,

a member of this community who cares about the future generations of Tmcculins. Every one of us should be feeling that way up here. But that is not the case. I am 100% supportive of parents' rights and that's why I had the expressed permission and support of the parents of the student I met with. They are my friends and for you two to insinuate

anything other is morally reprehensible. That's you Mrs. Wearsma to start and then you Dr. Kamroski, you're awful. And I believe parents I believe quote unquote parents rights are only valuable when in support of student achievement, not in place of student achievement. Sadly, I don't believe everyone on this day is and that includes you Kamroski and Weisma. You want to legislate what

rights are. That's not parental freedom or liberty in any way, shape or form. that does not serve student achievement and it's disingenuous and misleading to use that phrasing in the public. >> Thank you, Mr. Barham. Your time's up. >> All right. >> Like to start by saying I I I think all five board members need to look at the

positive governance team culture um pages 12 through 15. And that was, you know, it could have been better tonight. Um and yeah, positive governance team culture. Creating a positive governance team culture centers around the way people in the organization treat each other. Norms enable teams to build and maintain a positive culture. Now inside this the unfortunate fallout is that governing

board members create their own norms by which they govern. And unfortunately Mr. Barham, you were suffering in the consequences of your own actions when you act lawless. And we will hold you accountable. I will. I won't speak for those other two, but I did tonight and I will continue to do so just as well as the public holds me accountable. The

students hold me accountable. The parents of this community hold me accountable and fellow board members. Now, two parents were eyewitness testimonies of what went down. one wanted to speak tonight but was in fear that they might be attacked and that's the sad reality. So contrary to what you think happened, somebody actually heard one heard actually a half

an hour of the comments between you and the student. And as another student said tonight, you know, they're critical thinkers. They they um they act on their own. You know, it's good to hear. They're sharp. They have the right to peaceful protest. All that. None of that was a problem. problem I had was you and your lack of professionalism.

So outside of that, we have exciting things coming at you. Secondary curriculum um at the next meeting um something I worked on uh where teachers will accept new uh books and you know a rubric by which they do that. Worked with Amy Ricken and Joe Bwag. Really excited for you to see that new math adoption curriculum. I visited Mrs.

Bala's class at Great Oak High School when she had her new uh Holocaust book. I had it. I don't know the actual title. It was really exciting. She was very dynamic in the class and I got to hear some really good interaction. Summit Academy, Susan Leavia Elementary, French Valley, I visited all those and Mrs. Wma John Cole didn't know his uh alma moater

is um sorry it's it's late was Biola which is mine and he was a fellow skater. So that was really fun. Visited Mr. Cummings math class, observe the new math curriculum, amplify, and I'm looking forward to the many sites um planned in the next few weeks to visit. And I think that's about it. And now we're on to Mistry.

Before I move into my regular updates, I want to briefly share something that has shaped how seriously I approach this role. I didn't step into this role because it was easy. The first time I spoke at a board meeting was a few years ago, and like many students, I was nervous, careful with my words, and very aware of how exposed it can feel to

speak publicly, especially as a minor. What stayed with me the most from that experience wasn't the contents of what I said, but what I learned from how vulnerable students can be once their voices leave this room. When students come to the podium, they usually do so thoughtfully and respectfully. They're showing up because they care about their schools and believe that this space will

listen. Disagreement is a healthy and necessary part of civic engagement and differing perspectives are important. I hope that this room continues to be a space where students feel protected enough to be brave, where differing viewpoints are met with empathy and where we model the kind of discourse we want young people to carry forward. Because when students trust this space,

they participate. and when they participate, our schools and our culture grow stronger. Also, I've heard a few different concerns tonight about my relationship with individual board members. I speak only for myself and I just want to take a moment to clarify that I have very strong boundaries and I am completely comfortable with saying no to anyone. I have never felt pressured

by any conversation or proposal made by any individual board member and I would appreciate that everyone trusts in my ability to make decisions for myself. We can work on ensuring that other students have the same protections in place, but at this moment, I want to make myself clear. Now, just for a a few quick updates, as you heard, I came in late

tonight because I was at a scholarship awards ceremony which was held by the Tmacula Valley Elks Lodge. I would like to congratulate TVUSD students Emily Weldon, Tony Yang, and Evan Hampton for also winning scholarship awards alongside me earlier this evening. Additionally, I am incredibly proud of Chapra's mock trial team for finishing the season 3 to one along with having

four individual medalists, including myself. And I would also like to congratulate Shap's girls wrestling CIF division 2 championship win. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to my first superintendent student council meeting of the new semester with Dr. as well as attending Summit Academyy's student learning event on the 19th as a community guest. And lastly, I'm leading culture fair at Chapra, which is on the

27th. I formally invited the board and cabinet, but the event is free and open to the community. I hope to see some of you there. Thank you and have a great evening. >> Okay, it's off to superintendent comments. Dr. B. Okay. So, Miss Chai, you actually out of all the comments I was going to make tonight, you actually took about three

of them already. So, I personally and on behalf of the board want to congratulate you on your scholarship award tonight. What an outstanding accomplishment for you. So, [applause] I am glad that you made it here today and I did want to honor the other students at Great Oak High School and Tmacula Valley High School as well. Um,

I also would like to take a moment to congratulate Miss Ana Sebar. Miss Anna Seabar was honored this morning with the district PTA Founders Day award. This recognition reflects not only her dedication to students but also the strength of our partnerships with families in our community. We are so proud of her and grateful for the positive impact she's made across our

entire district. So congratulations Miss Anna Sebar. Additionally, both Tmacula Valley um girls and boys soccer won the Southwestern League with both teams undefeated in the regular season. This [laughter] this was the first TVHS boys soccer title in 19 years. Huge [applause] congratulations to both team led by girls um coach Jen Gwyn and boys coach Darren Drago. Um, we have several

winter sport teams that are at all three high schools who are participating in CIF playoffs currently. We are incredibly proud of all of these teams and what they represent for our district and the opportunities that they provide for our students. I just want to say what an incredible what incredible students and staff we have here in TBUSD.

>> Thank you, Dr. Vas. [applause] Okay, we're on to future agenda items. uh v an information report will be provided on February 24, 2026 in the following items: BAPA overview, facilities report, facilities master plan, review, projects update and maintenance and operations. Are there any other future agenda items that board members might be bringing forward? It'd be really cool if you maybe did it here

instead of last minute. It's just an option if you want to tell it, you know, forecast. You already mentioned it. Um, we you and I. >> So, we can do two minutes on these. Uh, Len, if you want to do >> you and I should put forward exhibit 6141, which I had wanted to put on this agenda, but you wouldn't let me, which

is in your purview. But, so now I'm going to say a future agenda item that we should talk about, exhibit 6141. And if and I actually asked why that was pulled and you made some assumptions with regard to my input on that. >> You're out of order. You can you can talk about bringing a future agenda right now. This is just

>> let me So are are you okay with 6141 going on? >> That's usually the business of the district and the fact that you even want to agendaize that when you did not actually work on the >> You know what? Now you're out of order. That's >> you're asked a question. You actually asked a question. >> You're out of order. I'm trying to be

considerate with you. >> Okay. We'll see. We'll see. >> I'm trying to be considerate with you. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other action items you might want to agendaize? All right. Mr. Barham has one. Sorry to interrupt you, Mr. Schwarz. Your time's still going. Mr. I want to bring back um an action item on uh the development of a survey to go out

to teachers and parents um with regard to the Dgrade policy. >> That's already been No, >> that's actually the consensus has already been point of order. >> Yeah, there's no such thing. You violated the rules. Yeah, thank you. >> I want to bring it back. That's that's and I'm entitled to do so. So, that's coming back. >> You're not even in the subcommittee.

Thank you. Uh, you can't even bring that back, Mr. Schwarz. Um, I'll go on. Just a point of order so the whole board knows. All right, Mr. Schwarz. All right, moving on. Any other board member? No. Now, we're on to announcement of the next meeting. The next regular open session business meeting of the governing board of education is scheduled for February 24,

2026. This meeting is adjourned on Thursday, February 10th, 2026 at Oh, it's February 11, 2026 at 12:02 a.m. Thank you.